Is it the girl,or the approach? What causes an attention wh*re?

[Jitterbug]

jafyk, those chicks sound messed up!

Regardless of what they actually do, if they're getting what they want from you and NOT giving you what you want, then you're getting a bad deal, so just put a stop to it.

I like this example. This is exactly my point. You met a girl who was an AW,but the way she acted and behaved towards the "3 guys she was stringing along",and the behavior she had towards you was different,even though it was the same girl/AW. You knew she was an AW,but the other guys didn't. Therefore,she couldn't "string" you along like the other guys. So her not being able to toy with you makes her interested in dating you,but this doesn't make her any less of an AW. It's just that since she can't toy with you,she'll either seek out or take advantage of other guys' attention by toying with them. So when you were out with this girl,and she was leading these guys on in front of you,you knew what was going on,and she knew that you knew what she was doing.

Yeah I had her for a short while, but if I made the mistake of trying to turn it into a serious relationship, I'd end up the same as those 3 guys. In a way, I was "used" by her, just like them. She used me for social values and fun (dating & sex). Except that I knew what I was getting into, and what she is really after. The other guys were after a relationship, didn't know what type of girl she is and didn't think for themselves - I can sympathize since she's a redhead & has magnificent tits and arse.

Never try to turn an AW into a GF. She will always be on the look for the next shiny thing to run off to. If you can get her, she's only good for a fling.

 

[Igetit!]

On another note a question popped into my mind. A girl I was recently seeing wanted to see me peeing and I said no but the door was ajar. Anyway, later I showed her my stuff and she said she had only wanted to see me peeing. Another girl in the past watched me shower. What is up with these strange requests.

You know what? Who knows. Maybe it was just a test to see how much she can get you to do up to the point of degrading yourself. It obviously had nothing to do with sex. Women test men all the time,and it doesn't stop just because you're in a relationship with her. I've also been tested in relationships,but not nearly to the point of some girl wanting to see me pee.

 

[jafyk]

You know what? Who knows. Maybe it was just a test to see how much she can get you to do up to the point of degrading yourself. It obviously had nothing to do with sex. Women test men all the time,and it doesn't stop just because you're in a relationship with her. I've also been tested in relationships,but not nearly to the point of some girl wanting to see me pee.

Don't get me wrong these girls did things for me that girl friends would do. How can you tell the difference if it was a test or if the girls were just kinky? I shouldn't have even brought this up. Trying to figure all this stupid things out. It's just sometimes I wonder why strange things happened. I guess another question. Is it better not to have a girl on any level than to have one who's an AW even if it's for a period of time? I was reading another post about some guy who claimed he had what would've been the perfect girlfriend. He said sex was great and she was giving etc but then she confessed to him about her sex life prior to meeting him and he broke up with her. So, do we as guys have unrealistic expectations of these women. It's like we expect everything to be perfect otherwise to hell with her. I mean what is this so called sosuave standard for women? For every slut out there a guy helped in getting her to that point. If a HB9 came unto you and you were single chances are you'd F her and then find some reason to discard of her. It's like we come across as the perfect ones. From a lot of posts I see here there it pretty much seems like a case of "my way or the high way" One thing I've realized is that even bad things sometimes serve good purposes. A lot of jobs we have today came about as a result of something bad e.g people got sick and doctors were born etc.

 

[Igetit!]

Don't get me wrong these girls did things for me that girl friends would do. How can you tell the difference if it was a test or if the girls were just kinky?

The point of a test is simply to find out if you're a man or not. The thing is this:The way you act,react,and behave with a woman is how she thinks you act,react,and behave with people in general. Therefore,if she can walk all over you and disrespect you,then she'll think that other people can too. If she tells you to do this or do that,and you do it,especially something as dumb as her wanting to see you pee,then she'll think other people can get you to do degrading things as well. This girl asked you if she can see you pee,right? Then what happened? Oh,let me guess. Nothing,right? She stood there and watched you use the bathroom,then when it was over,she just walked out,while you stood there with your **** hanging out all confused about what just happened. And I bet you thought her asking to watch you pee had something to do with sex. This reminds me of something I heard on a DVD by pua David X. He was standing in front of a room full of seated men listening to him speak about women and dating. He said to them,"Look. All you guys want is sex. But women,they have a thousand different alterior motives,different agendas". The is so true. When she asked to see you pee,I bet immediately,your mind turned to sex. With her,the request had NOTHING to do with having sex. Don't ask me what she was thinking,I don't know. Like David X said,women have a thousand different agendas and motives.

I guess another question. Is it better not to have a girl on any level than to have one who's an AW even if it's for a period of time?

Well,I say no. I believe that all women have a bit of AW in them. So if you want to be single until you find a woman who's not an AW,you'll have a loooong wait. So the problem is not whether the girl you date is an AW or not,it's how you present yourself to her. If she thinks she can walk over you,she'll do it. She'll lose attraction for you and lose romantic interest,but because she's an AW,she'll keep stringing you along simply because you are male,and you give her attention. However,you have to reconize the difference between genuine IOIs from her vs. stringing along behavior. And it's the way you approach her that determines which one you'll get.

 

[jafyk]

The point of a test is simply to find out if you're a man or not. The thing is this:The way you act,react,and behave with a woman is how she thinks you act,react,and behave with people in general. Therefore,if she can walk all over you and disrespect you,then she'll think that other people can too. If she tells you to do this or do that,and you do it,especially something as dumb as her wanting to see you pee,then she'll think other people can get you to do degrading things as well. This girl asked you if she can see you pee,right? Then what happened? Oh,let me guess. Nothing,right? She stood there and watched you use the bathroom,then when it was over,she just walked out,while you stood there with your **** hanging out all confused about what just happened. And I bet you thought her asking to watch you pee had something to do with sex. This reminds me of something I heard on a DVD by pua David X. He was standing in front of a room full of seated men listening to him speak about women and dating. He said to them,"Look. All you guys want is sex. But women,they have a thousand different alterior motives,different agendas". The is so true. When she asked to see you pee,I bet immediately,your mind turned to sex. With her,the request had NOTHING to do with having sex. Don't ask me what she was thinking,I don't know. Like David X said,women have a thousand different agendas and motives. Well,I say no. I believe that all women have a bit of AW in them. So if you want to be single until you find a woman who's not an AW,you'll have a loooong wait. So the problem is not whether the girl you date is an AW or not,it's how you present yourself to her. If she thinks she can walk over you,she'll do it. She'll lose attraction for you and lose romantic interest,but because she's an AW,she'll keep stringing you along simply because you are male,and you give her attention. However,you have to reconize the difference between genuine IOIs from her vs. stringing along behavior. And it's the way you approach her that determines which one you'll get.

Man! The more I think I have this stuff figured out the more it seems to elude me aaaaaaaah! I don't mean to argue. I told her no and I did close the door (maybe not all the way) and started peeing and she came by the door and peeked and it's not like I went to pee because she asked me to. I say this is hard because there's that thin line between being too serious and thinking everything is a test (then being accused of being senstive) when you ought to be relaxing and getting comfortable with the girl. As far a showing her my stuff later. It was my own decision (which you can say had to do with thinking about sex after she made that request). As for the other girl and the shower. That was just after we had finished having sex. Perhaps you might say it's irrelevant and I can see your point.

 

[Igetit!]

Man! The more I think I have this stuff figured out the more it seems to elude me aaaaaaaah!

Unfortunately,I know what you mean. It almost seems like the more you learn,the more realize just how little you know.

I say this is hard because there's that thin line between being too serious and thinking everything is a test (then being accused of being senstive) when you ought to be relaxing and getting comfortable with the girl.

Yeah,I hear you on this one. I heard somebody say this,and I believe it's true:That dating a woman is like flying an airplane. Think about it....now I've never flown an airplane before. In fact,I've never even been on a plane. But in the c0ckpit on the control panel,there are all kinds of knobs,gadgets,buttons,and gauges that have to be paid attantion to. How many of these things there are? Hey,I don't know,but let's just look at four of them:

1:Fuel gauge
2:altometer
3:Radar
4:Speedometer

This is just 4 out of maybe 40 or 50. Now these four,each one of them is important. Each one. Paying attention to three of them and neglecting one,just one could spell disaster. If you focus on 2,3,and 4,but neglect the fuel gauge,you'll run out of fuel,then crash. Focus on only1,2,and 4,but neglect the radar,you could hit anothr plane or crash into a mountain. And this is just four of the gauges. That's how it is with a woman. You have to be strong,even agressive at times,but if she's hurting emotionally or something tragic has happened,you have to be sensitive to what she's going through. If you're out on the street together,and some guy approaches her being rude or disrespectful,you have to put away Mr.Sensitive,and be the strong protector. She wants a man who can just let go and have fun,but if you do let go too much and have too much fun,she'll won't take you seriously. But if you start off being serious,she'll think you're dull and no fun.
If you start off being sexual too soon,she'll think you're dog,but if you wait too late to show your sexual side,she'll think you're either not interested in her,or too scared or afraid to go for what you want. The tricky part is knowing when to show a particular side of yourself. If she's feeling afraid,she doesn't need Mr.Sensitive at that moment. If a woman has just had 5000 guys hitting on her,she probably doesn't want to be exposed to your sexual side just yet.

I don't think there are an infinate number of things to learn about women. It's really just a matter of learning and reconizing when to apply what you already know. The problem is that women are emotional,and their emotions are constantly changing. So depending on which particular emotions she's feeling,you'll have to know which side of yourself you'll need to bring out.
However,if you have a strong frame (and I mean a real strong frame),her emotions will actually line up with your frame.

As far a showing her my stuff later. It was my own decision (which you can say had to do with thinking about sex after she made that request). As for the other girl and the shower. That was just after we had finished having sex. Perhaps you might say it's irrelevant and I can see your point.

This is called narcissim. You're a man. You think about sex. Since you think about sex a lot,you think women think about sex a lot too.
She asked to see your "stuff",then immediately you thought about sex. Then when she didn't have sex with you or do something sexual,you were shocked.
You should actually be farther along in your thinking about women than this.
This is how I was like 8 or 9 years ago. Every little thing a woman did,because I had sex on the mind 24/7,I took what she did to mean she was sexually interested in me. If a woman,smiled at me,sex. Hold the door open for me at a store,sex. Ask me for the time,sex. If she sneezed or cleared her throat,sex. It's not like that. If a woman is at least 2.5 or 3,she can find a man willing to have sex with her. If a 3 can find sex,then you know every number higher can. Sex is not a big deal for women,it's chemistry they have a hard time finding. To women,sex is like air. And why would you be obsessed with air? It's everywhere. You'd basically have to leave the planet to get away from it. That's how sex is with women. They're not the ones obsessed with it,we are. Quit misinterpetting every little thing a woman does as meaning "oh,she wants to have sex with me". You're probably thinking,"Well,she asked to see my stuff,so logically I thought she wanted sex". Yeah,exactly. You thought "logically". You're a man,so you think logically. And that's where you went wrong. Stop thinking they think like us. They don't.

 

[Igetit!]

Women flake because they aren't attracted enough to you. We men, myself included, like to dream up a million reasons why women flake due to their "craziness." The truth is our game wasn't good enough for her, dysfunctional or not.

Agreed. They maybe be interested or attracted enough to give you their number,but not for actually showing up on a date. I also believe that if you have an attraction with very little to no comfort,she'll flake as well. Although some things about women confuse me at times,some things are just plain clear as day.

Why do women put so much effort into looking hot? Because they want all men to give her attention so she can have lots of options to choose from for mating material.

Yeah,this is true also. It's just like I thought. All women have some degree of AW in them. I guess it just varies from girl to girl.

Up until 4 years ago I had a lot of flake outs. All the time if I'm honest. Now it never happens - ever. I'm the same person as I was 4 years ago except now my game is tight.

Alright,now THIS got my attention. You said that in the past you used to have a lot of flakes,but now...And I quote,"Now it never happens - ever". You say you're the same as you were 4 years ago,the only difference is your game is tight now. Could you expound on that? If you went from lots of flakes to now it never happening,then there was a change somewhere. And my guess is it was a mental/mindset change. Hey,I'm here to learn like every one else,so if you have a bit of info that might be helpful,lay it on me.

What seperates the men she chooses to befriend and the one she chooses to drop to her knees for? Confidence. Period.

Right. I've already figured this one out. That's why I asked is it the girl,or the approach. And it's both. Like you said,women dress up to have lots of options to choose from. Then once they've drawn you in and you approach them,they way[/QUOTE] you approach them determines whether you'll be an romantic interest,or just some guy she toys with.

 

[DJVladdy]

A thread like this one

perfect example of

a mental group- masturbation-session

can also call it "verbal-cirle-jerk"