Is it just me or are nowadays many woman not ltr material?

[Barrister]

Almost all women you see on OLD are not LTR material. Probably north of 95%. Maybe a rare case who gets on after she just exited an LTR herself, but even then there will be red flags.

IRL is much better, albeit still nothing like it was even 20 years ago. Maybe 10-15% of the women are LTR material. And this doesn't necessarily make them more permanent relationship material (i.e. marriage) -- just that you could sustain something with them.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Did it got worse or better over time?

Probably worse

I have met a decent amount, but so far almost all woman I encountered had some sort of redflags. Is it just me or are there genuinely not many good ones around anymore?

Welcome to modern dating, its like looking for a needle in a haystack. Indeed, there are genuinely not many good ones: They are few and far between and most of them already got paired up young.

Going back to the needle in the haystack: You have to burn the haystack. But its easier said than figuring out how to apply this metaphor to a real life problem.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Almost all women you see on OLD are not LTR material. Probably north of 95%.

This. Seems about right.

 

[Solomon]

Almost all women you see on OLD are not LTR material. Probably north of 95%. Maybe a rare case who gets on after she just exited an LTR herself, but even then there will be red flags.

IRL is much better, albeit still nothing like it was even 20 years ago. Maybe 10-15% of the women are LTR material. And this doesn't necessarily make them more permanent relationship material (i.e. marriage) -- just that you could sustain something with them.

I got a funny story on this. I was having lunch with a couple of buddies in 2022 and we were talking about online dating. One guy let's call him "Luffy" was like "Bro you just gotta match be a good guy and you'll get a girlfriend" mind you this guy hadn't done online dating in years so he thought it was like it was back in 2016-Tinder era

Fast forward a year later he had been on bumble now for a year and I asked him how it was going "man EFF these women, they are all flakey and don't know what they want, I got 5 on rotation right now..you gotta get what you can cause it won't last"

It's just hilarious how quickly he became red/black pilled after only using OLD for a year.

 

[viking22]

Problem with dating apps is the way the algorithms work they hyperfocus women's attention on the most popular profiles and average looking guys face statistical dilution. She doesn't have the time or energy to choose between thousands of average guys. So she takes the efficient approach of just rejecting them and being highly selective. Some studies suggest women only swipe right on 5% of profiles.
Of course those profiles tend to be the same profiles.

So women experience a lot of ghosting, a lot of pumping and dumping, and most of them burn out pretty quickly so will either leave the apps or not put in much effort. The ones that are very active (and therefore the ones you are most likely to end up on dates with) are the serial daters who enjoy the attention and free drinks/dinners/entertainment or are playing their own numbers game believing that if they go on enough dates they will eventually find the instant chemistry/connection they've been dreaming of. Also contributing to the attrition is that the ones that are relationship material will generally find a relationship pretty quickly on the apps by carefully filtering through their options and being realistic and avoiding obvious player types and will then leave the apps when they find someone who's a good prospect rather than dating multiple people at the same time.

Layered on top of this women generally do not value relationships as much because society doesn't value relationships as much and women are very responsive to social programming. If being single past a certain age was stigmatised women would lower their standards and find someone who would commit. They may not be that happy in those relationships but they would view them as a lesser evil to being single. Now being a single independent woman is a badge of pride and women are told they can have children in their 40s like (insert latest celebrity to defy the odds). Women also increasingly out achieve men in education and the workplace and so consider most men beneath them and can use this as justification for being single and picky.

 

[MatureDJ]

I choose Door #2.

 

[jhonny9546]

Women were never meant to be LTR material, which is just society projection to control us, men.
Women are LTR as long as they are there to fulfill their imperative to have children, to raise them.
It's just a cycle that repeats itself endlessly.


My grandfather was in a relationship with my grandmother for 50 years.
Between alcoholism, some infidelity, and other things, they had one child every two years.
A total of 20 children. That was the glue of their "LTR" relationship.


@Dash Riprock and @Gamisch Made good point on how your should POV your life

 

[OngBak]

Women were never meant to be LTR material, which is just society projection to control us, men.
Women are LTR as long as they are there to fulfill their imperative to have children, to raise them.
It's just a cycle that repeats itself endlessly.


My grandfather was in a relationship with my grandmother for 50 years.
Between alcoholism, some infidelity, and other things, they had one child every two years.
A total of 20 children. That was the glue of their "LTR" relationship.


@Dash Riprock and @Gamisch Made good point on how your should POV your life

Actually, no. Biologically, women are wired for long-term pair bonding, reproducing with a strong man over time, with the woman supporting him in building himself in the process. Refusing to support a man in becoming his best self goes against nature, woman are nurturing. Society has simply grown weak, and women are now rewarded in all kinds of ways for behaviors that are ultimately negative so that most of them even cant pair bond anymore or stay in their feminine energy.

 

[jhonny9546]

@OngBak Good point, but if you could find a woman like that, one who truly builds you into a great man, would you stay with her even if it's a source of drama?
Women will do all that work, the once complete, they will discard that man they actually have built.

Bte, I know a few.
They're great women, their partners have become great men, thanks to them.

But was it worth it?
Is it worth dealing with all that drama every day?

We can become great men even without the support of women.
Women make us great up to a certain point.

As long as we have to take on a position of responsibility to provide for her and the children.
She's not really interested in us becoming great for ourselves.
But in relation to what we can then offer her.

By this I mean, I would choose a path where I can become great without having to deal with the emotional drama of women, rather than finding myself having become great thanks to a single woman, but having to deal with all that.

I would be great and have 3 to 5 women interested in me and having support from all of them, and also be drama free.
(This is unrealistic but it helps you find women who actually have no drama)

 

[The Duke]

@OngBak Good point, but if you could find a woman like that, one who truly builds you into a great man, would you stay with her even if it's a source of drama?
Women will do all that work, the once complete, they will discard that man they actually have built.

Bte, I know a few.
They're great women, their partners have become great men, thanks to them.

But was it worth it?
Is it worth dealing with all that drama every day?

We can become great men even without the support of women.
Women make us great up to a certain point.

As long as we have to take on a position of responsibility to provide for her and the children.
She's not really interested in us becoming great for ourselves.
But in relation to what we can then offer her.

By this I mean, I would choose a path where I can become great without having to deal with the emotional drama of women, rather than finding myself having become great thanks to a single woman, but having to deal with all that.

I would be great and have 3 to 5 women interested in me and having support from all of them, and also be drama free.
(This is unrealistic but it helps you find women who actually have no drama)

Are you succesful with women? On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being extremely successful, where do you see yourself? You are in a constant state of discovery and analysis yet I don't see you acting on all of that.

I just see your hyper analysis as a major turn off to women.

 

[Bigpapa]

Swipe apps have played a massive role in giving women too much choice which again leads to generally awful behaviours in the dating market

I am somehow active on dating apps, mainly because it is a low effort and potentially high reward

what I noticed though is that dating apps are flooded with low value women ( maximum average ) , and the good looking ones that you see are barely active or just not on the app no more

I believe that most of the frustration of men towards women stem for fishing in general at the bottom of the barrel instead of trying to fish better quality

Usually there is a big difference in terms of mentality between low value and high value women, and in my opinion most of the sh1t happens actually because low value women also have very poor socialization skills

if you think about it, it is kinda the same thing for men. The lower value you are, the lower your socialization skills are