"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is it effective to be an "aloof" nice guy?

tsmith2334

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This is the formula I'm trying out.

Being an a-hole just isn't me. I've tried it, but I know it seems put on and fake. Nobody's buying it and doesn't work.

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm a nice, friendly, confident and funny guy. I'm a great conversationalist, college grad, awesome 9 to 5, in-shape, upbeat, good looks. So rather than be somebody I'm not, I'm going to use kindness to my advantage.

The key to me is being nice and pleasant, without being TOO nice. Bending over backwards and agreeing with everything she says is not something I plan to do. I'm gonna make sure she knows I have a pair. But I'm always smiling and very respectful, and making her laugh.

To me, that's more or less what women want. I read a decent article in Men's Health about speed dating (which mirrors actual dating). It said the guys who had the best retention rate weren't the ones with crazy openers or the rude, arrogant d-bags. The guys who got the most mutual interest were friendly and smiled a lot, and listened politely.

So, in order to increase attraction, I'm thinking that I'd be best off limiting my supply. Not always responding to texts, not always accessible, kinda mysterious (but open at times- she has to work for it). But almost always, "nice".

Isn't this a much better gameplan that just being an a-hole and attracting decent looking women with daddy issues?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Shivastorm_88

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If you want to look it at black or white, you can either be:

An AFC, you will never get laid and everyone (not just women) will constantly walk over you, although you are a overtly nice and respectful

An *******, you will get laid, but you'll never be able to have real relationships (again, not just with women, but in general), but at least no one will walk over you

Or, what this website calls a DJ, which is pretty much a crossbreed from the two top ones, meaning you are a nice, respectful person, while at the same time you don't let people walk over you and you stand for what you believe in.



Personally, the third option is what seems the best one (and it seems to be what you're aiming for), so go for it... And don't fake being "too busy to answer texts and to be always available", genuinely be too busy to offer everyone all your spare time.
 

tsmith2334

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Shivastorm_88 said:
If you want to look it at black or white, you can either be:

An AFC, you will never get laid and everyone (not just women) will constantly walk over you, although you are a overtly nice and respectful

An *******, you will get laid, but you'll never be able to have real relationships (again, not just with women, but in general), but at least no one will walk over you

Or, what this website calls a DJ, which is pretty much a crossbreed from the two top ones, meaning you are a nice, respectful person, while at the same time you don't let people walk over you and you stand for what you believe in.



Personally, the third option is what seems the best one (and it seems to be what you're aiming for), so go for it... And don't fake being "too busy to answer texts and to be always available", genuinely be too busy to offer everyone all your spare time.
Great feedback, repped. Without even thinking about it, I'm basically going the DJ route.
 

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Not to toot my own horn, but I'm a nice, friendly, confident and funny guy. I'm a great conversationalist, college grad, awesome 9 to 5, in-shape, upbeat, good looks. So rather than be somebody I'm not, I'm going to use kindness to my advantage.
Sounds like you have a lot going for you. As long as you have the nerve to approach and escalate, and remember to be masculine, you shouldn't need to play these stupid games trying to emulate the "bad boy". That stuff is for guys who don't have anything else going for them. You have value and are a good catch, and women are going to realize that.

I read a decent article in Men's Health about speed dating (which mirrors actual dating). It said the guys who had the best retention rate weren't the ones with crazy openers or the rude, arrogant d-bags. The guys who got the most mutual interest were friendly and smiled a lot, and listened politely.
I'm not a bit surprised.

An AFC, you will never get laid
Actually, AFCs get laid all the time.

An *******, you will get laid, but you'll never be able to have real relationships (again, not just with women, but in general), but at least no one will walk over you

Or, what this website calls a DJ, which is pretty much a crossbreed from the two top ones, meaning you are a nice, respectful person, while at the same time you don't let people walk over you and you stand for what you believe in.
I would say there is a significant faction here on SoSuave who would define being a DJ as being the @sshole.
There is another faction who sees being a DJ as improving themselves in every aspect of their lives, and that is the far more uplifting definition.
 

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You've got it right. If you
1) Are pretty cool and nice
2) Have a backbone and things to do
You're pretty far ahead of everyone else. It's astonishing what being nice + having hobbies/work than make you unavailable can do.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Zarky

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Being an a-hole just isn't me. I've tried it, but I know it seems put on and fake. Nobody's buying it and doesn't work.
Can you give us some examples of what, exactly, you "tried?" I don't believe that you actually tried to be an as*hole. I'm just not buying it.
 

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zekko said:
There is another faction who sees being a DJ as improving themselves in every aspect of their lives, and that is the far more uplifting definition.
yes a "true DJ" is a Good Guy...

  • genuine
  • respectful
  • gentleman
  • dont care about what other people think of him like most people do, dont seek validation
  • sets boundaries
  • has options, can walk away
  • stands up to what needs to be done
ad infinium.......
 

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Being a nice guy is not a bad thing when you are good looking.
 
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