Locogooner
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should you just go for it, or let her hug you?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Is it beta to ask for a hug?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
What it works for me is raising an arm keeping the same position with my feet and have her coming to me( as u're offering protection being the you taller than the avg woman).
Ask is seriously too low, can you imagine to watch the scene in 3rd person where you look at her and say "can I hug you?" or you going out of your way open your arms and hug there.
I say let her come or strongly suggest her to come.
Ask is seriously too low, can you imagine to watch the scene in 3rd person where you look at her and say "can I hug you?" or you going out of your way open your arms and hug there.
I say let her come or strongly suggest her to come.
You're looking into this way too much. It's a hug for gods sake. Whether you hug her, or ask for one, or she hugs you, it doesn't matter. She's not gonna think "oh he just asked me for a hug what a lower social being." She's gonna hug you and be happy about it.
EDIT: But if you ask, don't say "can I hug you?" Say "give me a hug!"
EDIT: But if you ask, don't say "can I hug you?" Say "give me a hug!"
Mantis Toboggan
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This thread is beta
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Mantis Toboggan
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For god's sake...it's a hug. Not a date. Not sex. Who cares.Strelok said:
People need to man up and stop asking "PUA advice" on every damn detail of their interaction with others.
"Is it beta to say thank you?" "Is it beta to let the woman drive?"
No, it's beta to doubt yourself about crap that doesn't even matter.
The OP is under 20 posts therefore he cannot exactly establish what is right to ask and what is a non sense, I'm sure you all know the confusion to which average men are subject out there,so since it costed me no effort to give him a general suggestion I did that.Mantis Toboggan said:
I'm not saying this thread is beta or not, I simply asked if this thread doesnt have the necessary requirements to be considered serious why you felt the need to take part of it? same question to scribblec.
You guys are entitled to your opinion as much as you have any right to ignore something you find unworthy, however I see no reason to come just to shot down the op's request.
You say men need to "man up", dont you think in order to do so they need to be leaded, especially the new members who still suffers from social conditioning?
Probably the best answer to give to the op was simply to stop considering small events as important and focus on the bigger picture, I didnt think about that myself either.
i felt the need to partake because i felt like it really , i remember i used to think of all the petty things i used to worry about, but hindsight is a beautyful thing and if only i was told not to worry about this **** from the start my progress would of been much quicker then the 3 years it took 