"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Is it alright to just open with anything?

ElStud

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I was wondering guys, is it alright to just open with anything? I'm asking cause I'm really bad openers. Here are a few I came up with but I don't use because I'm scared they won't work:

- "Hey do you cook?" then the girl says no and I say "So that means if we were going to get married one day and I asked you to cook for me one day you wouldn't be able to do it? Hah, I could see it now, me and you get married, we have a honeymoon, and the next day I ask you to cook breakfast for me, and you can't do it. Then I would divorce you and take all the money".
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You realize self rehearsed lines you use as openers sound like rehearsed lines. Dont use pick up lines, just say what comes naturally.
 

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ElStud said:
I was wondering guys, is it alright to just open with anything? I'm asking cause I'm really bad openers. Here are a few I came up with but I don't use because I'm scared they won't work:

- "Hey do you cook?" then the girl says no and I say "So that means if we were going to get married one day and I asked you to cook for me one day you wouldn't be able to do it? Hah, I could see it now, me and you get married, we have a honeymoon, and the next day I ask you to cook breakfast for me, and you can't do it. Then I would divorce you and take all the money".

Your fear is justified. Please, please, please don't use this line. You can't just go up to a girl and start talking about marraige the second you see her.

Skel is correct, rehearsed lines will sound like rehearsed lines. Open with natural conversation...always.
 

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snorida44x said:
Here's the problem with you, Elstud, you are going into flirting way too fast. You can't just go to some random girl and start rambling that kind of stuff. She's not going to go for it. Don't flirt with her right on the opener, use the opener to open. Not to project any interest, and especially not to flirt. If you don't want to try anything too bold, then talk about funny things that are recent in the news, and media. They will love that stuff when you can keep it flowing, you don't need to go flirting with her just yet. Try it.
:up:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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saying something like that tells her you're into her before she's opened her mouth, i..e on looks alone, and unless she's some weird lse chick, or you look like brad pitt, she'll run a mile. it's also kind of creepy.
my suggestion is to talk to a stranger as if you'd talk to any other - you're both unlocking your motorbikes in the rain and you say 'nice weather for it' or some sh!t, just some comment like you couldn't give a fukk. when she responds, look her in the eye, and pause very slightly like the way she spoke back has got your attention, and THEN show some interest by asking if she's from around here or whatever.
the point is to make her think that something about her personality has got your attention, after she's had a chance to reveal some of it. until then, treat her like anyone else you randomly talk to in the street when circumstances bring you into conversation territory, also, as i've said somewhere else, you should be thinking about whether she's interesting and whether she has something to offer you, not the other way round. have her explain or qualify herself, but be gentle and curious, not sarcastic, unless she's hot and you have experience with this.
 

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yes i second snorida 44x also =D
 

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Agreement on thsi "ITs not what you say, its how you say aka BL"

now moving on ...

ur just trying to see if shes interested or not (1)

and secondly

If you know shes interested and you open her, she'll open up easily...


but if it feels like your prying a fish's mouth up...flip out 200 dollars ask her to spread her legs...(j/k this means move on)

openers are not important, just check for her interest
 

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Here's the problem with you, Elstud, you are going into flirting way too fast. You can't just go to some random girl and start rambling that kind of stuff. She's not going to go for it. Don't flirt with her right on the opener, use the opener to open. Not to project any interest, and especially not to flirt. If you don't want to try anything too bold, then talk about funny things that are recent in the news, and media. They will love that stuff when you can keep it flowing, you don't need to go flirting with her just yet. Try it.
Rapport before attraction? I've been taught that's not a good thing to do. And I've actually gone up to a girl, rambled random stuff and gotten her interested before. Like there was this one time I just went up to a group of girls and started telling this story about how I saw this dude who looked like Jesus at a track meet. They showed tons of interest after that. If anything flirting should come first, then once she's interested go into all that rapport stuff.

saying something like that tells her you're into her before she's opened her mouth, i..e on looks alone, and unless she's some weird lse chick, or you look like brad pitt, she'll run a mile. it's also kind of creepy.
Not really, I saw a girl looking at a poster approached her without giving any signs before hand and she wasn't weirded out by it. Infact, I've done that several times and girls have never really been weirded out by it.

So some of you say it matters and some of you say it doesn't. Nonetheless I did use this line a girl yesterday.
 

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ElStud said:
Rapport before attraction? I've been taught that's not a good thing to do. And I've actually gone up to a girl, rambled random stuff and gotten her interested before. Like there was this one time I just went up to a group of girls and started telling this story about how I saw this dude who looked like Jesus at a track meet. They showed tons of interest after that. If anything flirting should come first, then once she's interested go into all that rapport stuff.
At no point did he say rapport before attraction.

Attraction is first, yes. Make HER attracted to YOU! No one said anything about you telegraphing interest.

Once she is attracted to you, you can slowly show that you are attracted to her, for legitimate reasons eg. Personality. Rather than on her looks or whatever, which is what she'll assume.

Yes you can open with anything depending on how well calibrated your energy levels are, and how advanced you are with telegraphing value subconsciously, but a lot of guys in the community take it too far. They take "You can open with anything" to be anything. I'd suggest you to stick to some well rehearsed openers that you have internalized. Note i say rehearse, but make sure it doesn't come out as if it really was rehearsed.

I've opened with "I like salad". But, that was a different ball game, I was in a high energy mood, telegraphing lots of excitement and fun, and i had something to follow up with immediately.

For you, I'd say stick to the basics, don't try anything fancy until you have the basics down.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I went to the grocery store the other day, had a cute cashier.. Threw my lucky charms on the counter and opened with "Lucky charms are the shvt."

Ended it with the number.

I do agree with most of these responses which say to not convey interest to her. And no you can't open with absolutely anything, don't show interest. All you do is show that your charming and confident, then wait til later to show some interest.
 

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Dannyrt34 said:
I went to the grocery store the other day, had a cute cashier.. Threw my lucky charms on the counter and opened with "Lucky charms are the shvt."

Thats how its done. This is your best bet for pickup strategies. Just make normal friendly conversation, throw in a little humor....bam!
 

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saying anything is better than waiting for another day, chance, miracle, etc., etc.,
 

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yes. i met a girl in Las Vegas....blond girl and she said she was from colorado...i asked her if she was ever raped by Kobe Bryant.....and she didn't slap me...hah..i said it in a way that she actually laughed..looked at me weird, but then dug it....as long as you are confident enough you can say almost anythign.....the rest of the night she was all over me (another guy in the group actually was talking to her first but she lost interest fast)......what you say isn't really all that important......the way you say it and the context is what's important.....
 
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