Is First World Loneliness Worst than Third World Hardship?

[corrector]

I live in a First World country. Tech everywhere. Stability. Comfort. People in the so-called “Third World” would kill for these things. And I’m not isolated, I have family, I’m a caregiver for my parents, I get massages (ie paid/insurance), I occasionally hug and high-five women in everyday life.

So yes, I get touched. But here’s the thing: I haven’t had romantic intimacy since 2014. No girlfriend, no wife, no partner.

Meanwhile, in “worse” countries, I see guys with less money, less stability, and worse living conditions… and yet they still marry, have kids, and experience solid connections.

So here’s the paradox: maybe First World men are in a deeper trap than Third World men. In the West, you can have abundance of everything except romatnic connections. Instead we drown in dating apps, social media illusions, and “fake abundance” while mid-tier men get squeezed out entirely.

I almost envy the guy in a poorer country who at least has a built-in path to intimacy.

Is the loneliness of the First World actually worse than the hardship of the Third World?

Discuss.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Afghanistan is so sexually repressed that the men are more likely to score with little boys.

 

[corrector]

Afghanistan is so sexually repressed that the men are more likely to score with little boys.

Right, and you have prison rape in the USA. I guess the USA must be repressed too then.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

who at least has a built-in path to intimacy.

Nobody has a built-in path to intimacy.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Is the loneliness of the First World actually worse than the hardship of the Third World?

Goes back, in a way, to our discussions about "success" and "failure" being something of an illusion:

The technological and economic heights* we've reached here in The Post-Industrial World have been a "success", in that we no longer have to hunt and kill our dinner, nor do we croak from maladies like typhoid, cholera, and the like

These same things have had adverse effects in many respects... When our every waking moment isn't preoccupied with the task of simply surviving the day, we end up with sh-t tons of free time to ruminate and overthink the ever-living piss out of everything. Such a hobby also happens to be the source of clinical depression and anxiety


*Even describing the lives we have in Post-Industrial Nations as "heights" is an oversimplification. It's not a fluke that refugees from The Third World end up performing the grimiest, most backing breaking jobs in our society. Us natives have become so physically and psychologically fragile , we'd snap in two, if we had to spend so much as an hour working the fields or cleaning Porta Pottys

Hell, a disconcerting number of us now PRIDE ourselves on being fragile. That's something that only happens among folks who have the luxury of resorting to the feats of intellectual contortion required, in order to rebrand weakness as hardiness

 

[Travel memoir21]

I truely believe people in the third world countries are happier and more content and grateful. There's wandering vagabond, homeless type of people who goes from shack to shack and jobs to jobs, I see them all the time outside not far from my house whenever I take walks. I would say hi and we'd exchange greetings. These guys are never alone, always with some good company and tends to get invited to karaoke drinking parties and have a good interpersonal lifestyle. The same can't be said sometimes about the millions of people in the first world who lives a solitary life in their apartments, not much going on in their life but work and going home to watch Netflix or Hulu without the company of Good friends and confidants......I mean you can live very contently living that way, I know I sometimes do but the people I'm talking about out here seems to live very contently with what they have.

 

[corrector]

with some good company and tends to get invited to karaoke drinking parties and have a good interpersonal lifestyle.

Does that company include hb7+ women?

 

[Travel memoir21]

Does that company include hb7+ women?

Yeah there's some women out there, some are pretty cute, there's cute women everywhere out here

 

[sevbucmash]

When I come over, I took a look around, and I asked myself this: why do people in the U.S. live like this? The answer is obvious, because they want to live like this.

Then the other question begs to answer, how come back at home people don't live like this?



Obvious answer, because they don't want to.


3rd world, as you called it, is not under-developed, it is the way it is because people that inhabit it want it to be that way. It's a simple as that.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I truely believe people in the third world countries are happier and more content and grateful

When 98% of a nation lives off $2 a week or less, just continuing to draw breath SEEMS like a cause for celebration, even though it's arguably sad and pathetic

Our perceptions make us who we are, fine, nonetheless they're anything but the final word on reality

 

[plumber]

OP, this is one of the best question/topic I have seen you bring. Very relevant to how to interact with women.

I have seen if the state takes care of the women, they don't NEED men. If the state does not, then men are NEEDED by women.

Birth rate is much higher in some places. It means humans are doing better in those places.

 

[corrector]

When 98% of a nation lives off $2 a week or less, just continuing to draw breath SEEMS like a cause for celebration, even though it's arguably sad and pathetic

Our perceptions make us who we are, fine, nonetheless they're anything but the final word on reality

The issue is if they are getting more sex, not their income. We are also looking at how equitable the sex is spread out in the population.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The issue is if they are getting more sex, not their income

Yeah... Distractions become more plentiful, the richer civilizations become. Thus, the temptations to Neflix And Chill/Hang around social media, groaning over how f-c-ed up the planet is-rather than walking beyond one's front door and being social-are quite strong

One doesn't get much physical intimacy, when he's regularly retreating from public life

 

[corrector]

Yeah... Distractions become more plentiful, the richer civilizations become. Thus, the temptations to Neflix And Chill/Hang around social media, groaning over how f-c-ed up the planet is-rather than walking beyond one's front door and being social-are quite strong

One doesn't get much physical intimacy, when he's regularly retreating from public life

They have internet in third world countries too. I mean the country doesn't have to be a war-torn area, or place where it's actually collapsed with hyyper-inflation. If you visit a country like Thialand, or Philippeans, it does have allot of amenities within it's infrastructure, including the internet, or whatever you like. In fact, it could be argued that people are way overcharged for the same basic services people get in third world countries. In fact, in my country, Canada, the price gouging that goes on with telecommunication companies, has put it as a "human rights" issue here. When all of your salary goes to just barely survive, assuming you can afford the tempations like netflix or whatever (ie assuming that does not come out of grocery money) then it defeats the purpose. Everyone is complaining about the cost of living in the so-called First World Countries.

Even sex with a prostitute is more economically accessible for someone in a developing country, relative to their wages and cost of living, than it is for someone in a high-income country like Canada. In Canada, with housing, telecom, food, and basic survival costs eating most of a paycheck, there’s very little left over. In contrast, in parts of Southeast Asia, the same individual can meet basic needs and still have discretionary income. Whether we’re talking about streaming services, transportation, or even something like sex work, the structural inequality is obvious. That’s the human-rights issue here when a “First World” citizen can barely survive on wages while the so-called “Third World” citizen, despite lower absolute income, often has more accessible services relative to their environment.

Why don't people in First World Countries just quit thier jobs then if all of their money is spent before it hits the account as they are barely living paycheque to paycheque? Are you saying people are suffering with their jobs just so they can watch an odd show on netflix? Sorry, that doesn't add up.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Are you saying people are suffering with their jobs just so they can watch an odd show on netflix?

I'm saying that civilizations becoming rich comes with "drawbacks"*, some of which make us susceptible to isolation and, by extension, emotional agony. Those riches can be used in ways which aren't especially beneficial


*And of course, even "drawbacks" is a matter of perspective. Most folks would still take the problems of The Post-Industrial World over being dirt-poor in rural Botswana

 

[Vanderdonck]

I don't think the OP has been to any third world countries.

 

[Gamisch]

Indeed one of your better questions. Here's the answer.

We're I'm the last segment now. Our generation is a buck of spineless weak men that create hard times . For God sake, tight skinny jeans and the metro man was a thing. Men nowadays rather work jn a office taking baby naps and playing ping-pong and want work life balance instead of using their physical strength to put in hard labour.

I think that both are equally good and or bad.

I don't think the OP has been to any third world countries.

The one answer that "people choose to live that way" is atrocious.

 

[Travel memoir21]

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Indeed one of your better questions. Here's the answer.

We're I'm the last segment now. Our generation is a buck of spineless weak men that create hard times . For God sake, tight skinny jeans and the metro man was a thing. Men nowadays rather work jn a office taking baby naps and playing ping-pong and want work life balance instead of using their physical strength to put in hard labour.

I think that both are equally good and or bad.

The one answer that "people choose to live that way" is atrocious.

Which country do you reside again? Just wondering Bro.

 

[Travel memoir21]

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Indeed one of your better questions. Here's the answer.

We're I'm the last segment now. Our generation is a buck of spineless weak men that create hard times . For God sake, tight skinny jeans and the metro man was a thing. Men nowadays rather work jn a office taking baby naps and playing ping-pong and want work life balance instead of using their physical strength to put in hard labour.

I think that both are equally good and or bad.

The one answer that "people choose to live that way" is atrocious.

I think a job like Construction or being a Line Chef would be good for you then.

 

[Gamisch]

I think a job like Construction or being a Line Chef would be good for you then.

For most men.

Women git us fooled that we ought to do easy jobs and become a part of the " adult day care". Many videos going viral now of women being " email marketing manager" firing 7 emails per day making 80k. Pancakes with fruit for breakfast and starting the day at 10.00.

Ofcourse this is unsustainable. And meanwhile men say " had labour is though on your body". That hard labour built the West. Pur grandfather's were putting in many hours a dat to built these nice paved streets.

I can go on and on