"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hi, I am new to theses forums but I'm certainly enjoying it and my life is getting better with time as I become more and more successful with women (I'm not really successful yet, but I am definitly improving very fast).

There's a skill I lack though, it is what I like to call it the "Introduction conversation". It is the FIRST COUPLE OF WORDS that you tell to the girl. I can have a very nice conversation with a lady if we have something to talk about that is interesting, but when I meet a girl for the first time, I really have a hard time knowing what to say, besides "Hey, how are you? ", "I'm great!" blalbalblababla.

I most of the time ask casual and boring questions like "what school do you go to?", "how old are you?" "what are you studying in?". Thoses questions seems really boring to me and they make the women seem really bored, and who likes to talk about school?

And this is one of the part I hate the most, they seem to often give me that "Why does he asks me so many questions?" face, which makes me lose all motivation to continue talking.

I'm pretty good to communicate with a girl if there's something to talk about. (i.e.Talking about a movie if you're at the movie theater, or talking about music if you're at a show). But I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but you don't just plain talk about sex to a girl when you JUST MEET HER.

In a big summary, I don't know how to give a first good impression, like once you have good chemistry it's very easy, but I just don't know from where to START, the FIRST WORDS. It is the hardest part for me. I hate asking boring questions just to talk. My conversation skills needs a boost at the beginning. I'm aware that there's no 'MAGIC QUESTION' that will make ladies all over me, but I'm sure there's many ways you guys learned with experience on how to start a convo properly.

I'd love to hear some things from experienced guys on what to say, or what to do, or on what to NOT do or DON'T say.

I hope I learn some more from the bests. Thank you.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Check out my journal. I'm doing my best to explain what opening lines I used. The problem is that there is no secret - every situation is different. But there's something to be said for developing a sense of fun, and your own sense of humor. Practice asking ridiculous questions (mine is "you ever dream of being a pilot?) I'm hoping that other rAFCs can take some lessons from my mistakes and successes (even if I have more of the former) in the Journal. I hope I have helped.

Izza

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http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showth...4296#post594296
 

masonx

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Thanks a lot, can you post the full link though? Because that link doesn't work. (You can see it's not the full link because of the "..." in the middle)

Thank you.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Masonx,

Bootcamp week 3 covers convo.

Look, small talk is useful and necessary. There is nothing wrong with it. Consider it a bridge to common interests and learning more about her. Also, it's impossible to be constantly brilliant, throwing off the bon mots.

Here's the key: be observant of your surroundings and of her. Ask her questions about herself. School, work and origin are good openers. Respond in kind without trying to best her when you share common experience.

Get her emotionally involved in the convo. I pick up this broad on a plane once. As she approached I smiled. She sat down next to me. Natural subject: where to, fly much, nervous? Then the question that opened her up like a flower: Do you consider yourself to be spiritual?

Guess what? We shared a cab from the airport to my condo. About a month later I had reason to be in her city and stayed at her place.

Another airport pickup: Sitting in waiting area for plane to board. Superduper HB sits a couple seats away from me. Me: (Smile) "You going to New Orleans?" Her: yes.
Me: This is a great weekend for it. so-and-so is playing at the Funky Butt, so-and-so is at the Maple Leaf, so-and-so is at the Cafe Brasil, also....
Her: this is so great, you're just who I needed to meet.

Again, exchanged weekend at my place for a weekend at hers.

So, know what's going on; ask questions about what she feels.

You should have your own interests and scene before you meet her, so you have something of interest to talk about, and so you can have the prospective of bringing the woman into your world rather than you getting absorbed in hers. This is central to your power as a man.

Just remember, everyone's favorite topic of convo is themselves. Take a genuine interest and get her talking about herself. She will find you fascinating.
 

izza

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This is my REAL journal link - sorry don't know what's been going on.

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And just a thought - the earlier you can talk about sex and make it hilarious, the better! The girl will know right away that you are looking for a date, and it demonstrates your confidence and your masculinity. AFCs (like me :- P) are always terrified of talking about sex with women (but I do it anyway). It always surprises me, but when you do it right, women LOVE it when guys joke about sex, even involving them if you do it in a funny way. Never quite understood why.

Izza
 
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