"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So there's this girl I know. I met her in a Church. I don't see her or talk to her that often but we do talk online quite a bit.

The trouble is, I want to see her in person more. Now I know she's attracted to me because she's very receptive to kino. And she often allows herself to "accidentally" brush up against me when we're sitting close together. But whenever I suggest we get together, she doesn't ever reject me but always seems to lead me on and find an excuse at the last minute.

I don't really know what to do at this point. We'd go far if we just saw each other in person once in a while (and preferably away from her friends). It would be in both our interests really. But the only time I ever do see her is at a church function like the one I met her at, other than that we just talk online. Anyone have any ideas besides "just move on, she's not worth the time"?

There's probably more details I could explain, but I'm really tired.

By the way, I'd really like an answer to this. Ask for more information if you need it. I know getting help around here is a little hit or miss sometimes.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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dont talk to her online as much......get her number and set something up....you dont want to totally next her but dont pay too much attention if shes just playing games with you.
 

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moto said:
dont talk to her online as much......get her number and set something up....you dont want to totally next her but dont pay too much attention if shes just playing games with you.
Thanks for the reply. Yes I was thinking I'll probably have better luck on the phone. Trouble is, I don't have a cell phone. No big deal, though, I can use the land line.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Stop chatting 2 her on IM
 

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yeah like the other guys said, i'm not a big fan of IM... cos u can misinterpret a lot of things, and u cant do the kino.. and u cant see her body language.. which for me is key to understanding how she feels for me...

flirting on IM looks way too obvious and you cant really be subtle... whereas u can get away with more obvious flirting in person...! u can pretend it's a joke in person with a cheesy grin.. and also cos they cant "read the words" in real life lol... some things are better said, than typed hehe.. it's weird..

so yeah get her number, talk to her.. call her out catch up for coffee or something :) something casual , just hang out as friends, see if u like her!
 
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