"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Initiating the hookup

overmjind

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hey guys, new to the forums here but glad to join you all. anyways, i was readin over some of the articles and discussions that have been posted, but I have yet to find one about one of the most important things: initiating the hookup with a girl. I'm not talking about makin the girl interested throughout the night; I'm talkin about the actual transition from just chillen with her alone to some make out action.

Now I'm not new at all to the game and have pulled my fair share of girls, but truth be told, I (and the girl) have usually been really drunk and it kinda just "happens." But lets just say its a typical saturday night and you've workin on a girl all night at a party. You hit it off well, you can tell shes really into you, and you eventually end up somewhere relatively quiet, lets say a dorm room. You know she wants you to do something, but alas, what do you do to make that final step?
I'm mainly just lookin for some smooth lines or techniques to get from intimate talking to actually kissing, if that makes any sense. I usually just go straight for the gold and just kiss her once were alone, but lots of times the situation is different (for example you both head to your room and she starts looking at your music collection instead of going straight to mackin). Anyway, I'm sure we could all benefit from a few pointers, so lets hear some!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Andromax

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Well, having her sit next to you on the bed, or cuddle up to you on a couch by patting the seat next to you sets the stage pretty well. If her face is in close proximity to yours all it takes is some 'fvck me eyes' and a little hand to arm / neck action and you are kissing.

This post is great, props to Aliasguy for this one.
great move
 

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Wow, I was thinking about the same exact thing earlier today, glad you brought it up. I'd love to hear some advice on this too.
 

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Just think, if she comes back to your dorm room or apartment with you, and no one else is around, you're probably doing pretty well.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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There's really no "line" that's going to put through the transition. Sure, you may end up thinking something witty off the top of your head, but it's not always necessary.

Most of the time if you're already in the position (close to her/sitting next to her), simply looking into her eyes for a few seconds and landing a kiss is the way to get it started. I can't tell you how many guys have such a fear of this and will sit next to a woman who is obviously interested for hours. Just do it! Don't be a ***** about it. The longer you wait, the more awkward things get.
Just think, what's the worst that could happen. She says no? If she says no, she obviously doesn't like you in the first place and you're just wasting your time. good luck
 
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