"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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"Independent", but submissive? Contradicting?

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I've probably been doing a bit too much mental masturbation lately, but a girl I'm talking to has kind of peaked my interest. A few weeks ago we got into a conversation about our dreams, and when I asked her what her "number one, I've got to accomplish this one" dream was, she told me: "to be a strong, independent woman like my parents want me to be".

I thought it was kind of strange that she wants to do it just because her parents want her to, but I also thought it might be a good thing she wants to live up to her parents expectations.

This girl is something of a rare case. She wants to be independent, but she is so submissive (at least towards me). Even more ironic is the fact that she does not see herself as lady-like, but she is honestly the most feminine woman I've met so far. Can someone really be both? It seems almost contradicting. She generally does whatever I tell her. She's Mexican so there's usually a bit of arguing, but in the end, she does what I say.

I wonder if our views on independence are different, because it seems like by "independent", she really just means she doesn't have to rely on someone else, and nothing (race, gender, etc) and no one, other than herself, defines her.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Eph said:
I've probably been doing a bit too much mental masturbation lately, but a girl I'm talking to has kind of peaked my interest. A few weeks ago we got into a conversation about our dreams, and when I asked her what her "number one, I've got to accomplish this one" dream was, she told me: "to be a strong, independent woman like my parents want me to be".

I thought it was kind of strange that she wants to do it just because her parents want her to, but I also thought it might be a good thing she wants to live up to her parents expectations.

This girl is something of a rare case. She wants to be independent, but she is so submissive (at least towards me). Even more ironic is the fact that she does not see herself as lady-like, but she is honestly the most feminine woman I've met so far. Can someone really be both? It seems almost contradicting. She generally does whatever I tell her. She's Mexican so there's usually a bit of arguing, but in the end, she does what I say.

I wonder if our views on independence are different, because it seems like by "independent", she really just means she doesn't have to rely on someone else, and nothing (race, gender, etc) and no one, other than herself, defines her.
Judge her by her actions, not her words. Girls just usually say what makes them feel good emotionally. They usually have no idea what they really want until it is given to them.
 

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Working off her actions is a really good thing to look at.
 

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Yeah. Watch her actions instead.
 

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Humble enough to know when to go along with others and independent enough to not need, sounds like what we're practicing here at sosuave. The paradoxical traits of a desirable person. You know it's possible to make an independent decision to be submissive? Sometimes that's wisest choice.

Still though, focus on what you want and stop mentally masturbating.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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My main plate says that kind of sh!t too, but then can't even decide whether to sit inside or outside when we go out to eat.

I wonder what you would call the old time American frontier women? They were strong, hard working. They could run the homestead while the man was away hunting or at market. But they also knew their roles and their place in the family, and strove to maintain their femininity. Seems like a good combo to me.
 

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MOTU said:
My main plate says that kind of sh!t too, but then can't even decide whether to sit inside or outside when we go out to eat.

I wonder what you would call the old time American frontier women? They were strong, hard working. They could run the homestead while the man was away hunting or at market. But they also knew their roles and their place in the family, and strove to maintain their femininity. Seems like a good combo to me.
that settles it, we need a time machine.
 

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On further thought I would say having a goal of being strong and independent is good. Think of it like this: if she's dependent she will also be needy, and if she's very needy she will use you because she can't do it herself. In other words they will be high-maintenance, and instead of supporting they will just drag you down.

It's fully possible to be independent (self-supporting) without being bossy and controlling, the latter is what you have to watch out for. A relationship runs smoother if both have self-control, controlling each other is exhausting and there's a billion pitfalls in it leading to drama and conflict.
 

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Grewd said:
On further thought I would say having a goal of being strong and independent is good. Think of it like this: if she's dependent she will also be needy, and if she's very needy she will use you because she can't do it herself. In other words they will be high-maintenance, and instead of supporting they will just drag you down.

It's fully possible to be independent (self-supporting) without being bossy and controlling, the latter is what you have to watch out for. A relationship runs smoother if both have self-control, controlling each other is exhausting and there's a billion pitfalls in it leading to drama and conflict.
^^^^ Well said. Repped.
 

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After I read the thread the first thing I thought of was an ex Latina I dated! She was extremely out going, plenty of orbs but harmless for the most part. Just ride the wave bro....don't over think it.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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