"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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In the middle of setting up a date, the girl goes vanishes...

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Recently I have been meeting a few girls off Tinder. I get the number, text them to set up a date time & place. We are texting back and forth, she agrees to get together, and when I say okay how about this day we go here at 7pm?

Then I get no response.....has happened with 2 girls recently...

Do I wait a day and text again? Or just delete and move onto the next?

I would guess that if he IL was high enough, she would return my text. Is that correct?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

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Sounds like pretty low interest to me. Give it one more shot and if she doesn't reply, you'll have your answer.
 

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They're using you to pass time and feed their ego. Next.
 

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tomwesten27 said:
Recently I have been meeting a few girls off Tinder. I get the number, text them to set up a date time & place. We are texting back and forth, she agrees to get together, and when I say okay how about this day we go here at 7pm?
If you're just going to do small talk - just pitch the date in your first message to the woman. Here is how ESPI and others do it. (how to do it and how to deal with resistance to the idea is in there.)

The reason: Their decision isn't really going to change much on if they will go out with you or not if all you're doing is basic banter.

Basic banter will not change anything. It doesn't establish rapport. It doesn't build any attraction.


The only thing i've found to work if you're going to take the "talk before pitch" approach is to get it to sexual rapport asap.

This is what I do. And I detailed how I do this 3 years ago here. And what i do has evolved a bit; but that's the basics of it.

It's not easy though... I enjoy the process, but i don't think most men would (it's time consuming).

And for Tinder - not that effective (it works much better on actual dating sites).





tomwesten27 said:
Then I get no response.....has happened with 2 girls recently...
This is why i suggest you just pitch the meet right away.





tomwesten27 said:
Do I wait a day and text again? Or just delete and move onto the next?
If a woman goes ghost when I pitch a date - I never initiate contact after that. If she does - I repitch a meetup right away (literally).





tomwesten27 said:
I would guess that if he IL was high enough, she would return my text. Is that correct?
Yes.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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It's because these girls have no interest in you outside of being e-friends.

F**k that sh*t! You can do better.
 

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Im with bukowsi. You have to build tension and rapport before asking them on a date. Ive met up with a couple girls on tinder, and they were always keen about our initial and future meetups.

Take your time to make sure she feels comfortable as well as attracted.
 

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Yeah that's typical.

Tinder movies fast, it makes POF feel like something from the 90's. Unlike traditional online dating sites, women on Tinder get to pre-select who they converse with, so when a match comes in, it's already someone who is going to peak their interest and attraction. I've found girls are very selective as to who they "Like" too, several have told me 1 of every 10 men on average. Despite that.. most still have nonstop matches coming in.

So what does that mean? Acting quick and capitalizing on their interest is key. I've had the most luck when setting the date up for the next 24-48 hours, sometimes in even less than 10 messages. Don't underestimate how eager girls can be to meet. Push it out any longer, and odds are they will have found other guys who interest them more = FLAKE.

Seducing with tension and rapport certainly works too, but I've found it is usually not necessary if you run solid game.

Lastly, don't stop to analyze these women. Flaking and losing interest is just the nature of the beast here. I've met maybe 15-20 girls off Tinder, it's a solid app, high rate of flakes, will go from sending nudes to not responding in the blink of an eye, but for every flake there's usually another willing to meet.
 
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