"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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In LTR, Not sure about her still

GolfGuru

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K fellas.. I have a bit of a problem.

I've been seeing this woman for about 4 months. We are both 26. We see each other about 2X a week, due to hectic work schedules etc.. The sex is good, not great but good. She seems like a woman with values and that is why I have kept her around for the last 4 months.

So far so good right? Well, the only problem I got is that I have been leading the relationship on all aspects and it's getting quite exhausting. By leading, I mean planning, calling, initating EVERYTHING - I don't feel like its a two way street here.

Not sure what to do. Thoughts?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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darkstarrr

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Daniel1099 said:
stop initiating conversations.

stop calling her or texting her first

stop doing everything first and let HER do some work
if you want this to change you are going to have to do the above.

also, i would do some things to change your appearance and behavior. start going to the gym more. get a neew sharp haircut. smile more. be more enthusiastic about life. find some way for her to see you during the week. for example be involved in some events during the week where you need a date, etc.

good luck
 

window

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she isn't a giver...not good. Has she ever offered to pay for anything ? or do anything for you off her own bat ?
 

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Daniel1099 said:
stop initiating conversations.

stop calling her or texting her first

stop doing everything first and let HER do some work
Yes, it is easy to slip into a pattern in which you initiate everything, BUT in so doing you are inadvertently training her to EXPECT more of the same.
I would cut it all in half . IF she really wants to be in this LTR she will move in and close that gap and do more.
 

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window said:
she isn't a giver...not good. Has she ever offered to pay for anything ? or do anything for you off her own bat ?
Good comments so far. Hope to hear from some more people later.

She does offer to pay sometimes, she always has. We usually take turns paying. Now as far as she doing anything for me or coming up with ideas to do things, Im gonna have to say no.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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When you tee up in a group of four do you always hit your ball first? No. You take turns.

Use this same mentality when dealing with women. Give them a chance to shine for you not to you.
 

window

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I have a similar question...how many times do you have to see a girl before you'd expect her to call you up and ask you to do something ?
 

Andy_Dufresne

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GolfGuru said:
Well, the only problem I got is that I have been leading the relationship on all aspects and it's getting quite exhausting. By leading, I mean planning, calling, initating EVERYTHING - I don't feel like its a two way street here.
GolfGuru, I got the same problem. It sucks - the entire social agenda is on me. I'm at an impasse myself after a year, and with the holiday season coming up it simply would be totally classless to break up now. I just completely have my way in the relationship right down to what we eat for dinner. I try to push the envelope (i.e. force her to watch karate movies) but she never ever fights back for fear she might lose me.

Some ideas I'm working on:

1. I go out a lot more with my friends lately, or even by myself.

2. Spending more time on hobbies (golf is one of 'em)

3. Working more.

All these in hopes that she "gets it", and catches on and develops a life of her own outside of me. She hasn't yet. In essence I'm trying to live my life the way I want. If and when she complains, I simply tell her "I do what I want when I want to do it, that is what makes me happy."

Tough one - don't know the answer - I guess you have to look at it and make the tough decision - do you want to spend the rest of your life exhausted?
 

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Dear All,
It is soo enlightening to be straightened out by the Professionals like Sexy Cuta,what do we know?we aren't 18!!!
 

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You shouldn't have to prompt her to pick up her half. I've dated women like this and as soon as it was clear that they weren't gonna put in an equal effort I let them go.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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