"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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GolfGuru

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K fellas.. I have a bit of a problem.

I've been seeing this woman for about 4 months. We are both 26. We see each other about 2X a week, due to hectic work schedules etc.. The sex is good, not great but good. She seems like a woman with values and that is why I have kept her around for the last 4 months.

So far so good right? Well, the only problem I got is that I have been leading the relationship on all aspects and it's getting quite exhausting. By leading, I mean planning, calling, initating EVERYTHING - I don't feel like its a two way street here.

Not sure what to do. Thoughts?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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darkstarrr

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Daniel1099 said:
stop initiating conversations.

stop calling her or texting her first

stop doing everything first and let HER do some work
if you want this to change you are going to have to do the above.

also, i would do some things to change your appearance and behavior. start going to the gym more. get a neew sharp haircut. smile more. be more enthusiastic about life. find some way for her to see you during the week. for example be involved in some events during the week where you need a date, etc.

good luck
 

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she isn't a giver...not good. Has she ever offered to pay for anything ? or do anything for you off her own bat ?
 

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Daniel1099 said:
stop initiating conversations.

stop calling her or texting her first

stop doing everything first and let HER do some work
Yes, it is easy to slip into a pattern in which you initiate everything, BUT in so doing you are inadvertently training her to EXPECT more of the same.
I would cut it all in half . IF she really wants to be in this LTR she will move in and close that gap and do more.
 

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window said:
she isn't a giver...not good. Has she ever offered to pay for anything ? or do anything for you off her own bat ?
Good comments so far. Hope to hear from some more people later.

She does offer to pay sometimes, she always has. We usually take turns paying. Now as far as she doing anything for me or coming up with ideas to do things, Im gonna have to say no.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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When you tee up in a group of four do you always hit your ball first? No. You take turns.

Use this same mentality when dealing with women. Give them a chance to shine for you not to you.
 

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I have a similar question...how many times do you have to see a girl before you'd expect her to call you up and ask you to do something ?
 

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GolfGuru said:
Well, the only problem I got is that I have been leading the relationship on all aspects and it's getting quite exhausting. By leading, I mean planning, calling, initating EVERYTHING - I don't feel like its a two way street here.
GolfGuru, I got the same problem. It sucks - the entire social agenda is on me. I'm at an impasse myself after a year, and with the holiday season coming up it simply would be totally classless to break up now. I just completely have my way in the relationship right down to what we eat for dinner. I try to push the envelope (i.e. force her to watch karate movies) but she never ever fights back for fear she might lose me.

Some ideas I'm working on:

1. I go out a lot more with my friends lately, or even by myself.

2. Spending more time on hobbies (golf is one of 'em)

3. Working more.

All these in hopes that she "gets it", and catches on and develops a life of her own outside of me. She hasn't yet. In essence I'm trying to live my life the way I want. If and when she complains, I simply tell her "I do what I want when I want to do it, that is what makes me happy."

Tough one - don't know the answer - I guess you have to look at it and make the tough decision - do you want to spend the rest of your life exhausted?
 

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Dear All,
It is soo enlightening to be straightened out by the Professionals like Sexy Cuta,what do we know?we aren't 18!!!
 

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You shouldn't have to prompt her to pick up her half. I've dated women like this and as soon as it was clear that they weren't gonna put in an equal effort I let them go.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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