In Group Female Promiscuity is natural

[Pandora]

seems like trying to learn aggressive dominance. that's a tactic that will work with women but needs to be practiced to have it natural. maybe he is just working on that strategy and using the forum as the testing ground. the result of that strategy is that women should be turned on (if it's done right it works), and men will be irritated. it's safe to do in the forum, it's riskier to learn it in real life because of the obvious reasons.

Exactly. He is using aggressive dominance. Instead of disagreeing politely, he comes at you like a prick. When we just automatically insult each other we are acting like the very women we criticize. If you don't agree then you don't agree. We are grown men that should be able to entertain controversial topics like gentlemen.

 

[Pandora]

Pandora is already operating on the clown logic that pre-history was some kind of paradise, that living as a hunter gather is the "natural" state of humans, that agriculture/civilisation is somehow "unnatural" despite being the norm for 10.000 years and that between pre-history and today not a single culture really took it's code of morality and laws serious and everyone was ****ing with everyone regardless. So what do you expect? I suspect he was already purpe pilled and then reading the liberal political hack work that is "Sex at Dawn" only reinforced his views.

Pornhub Stats Reveal Women Search for More Hardcore Genres Than You Might Expect

With the increased availability of internet porn, women are becoming just as active on porn sites as men. This isn’t just a guy problem.

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Btw gangbang and double penetration are one of the most popular porn categories for women thus proving my point to a certain degree. This is what they fantasize about. I am not saying that EVERY woman will do this. I am saying that this may be an echo of our evolutionary heritage where women were shared.

I am also saying this based on these searches, this is not a monogamous creature. Lets step pretending that they are monogamous. They secretly fantasize about other men a lot more than you think. This is why they initiate divorce at an 80% rate. But go ahead and keep complaining and crying about thots lol. You are the type of guy that will date a girl and then cry when you found out she had a gangbang in college. Meanwhile I will be like " told ya so".

 

[Zimbabwe]

This is how i imagine @Pandora right now

 

[TitusRamsies]

A woman will always cheat with the right man under the right circumstances.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

The whole point of my post is that we have to accept that women want to be sexually free. They never wanted monogamy. WE DID. Before civilization we let them be free.

When we marry them and they divorce us in 7 yrs...that is natural to them. This is not a bug. It's a feature. They were made to hop on dyck after dyck. They were designed for genetic and sexually diversity. We don't want to believe it but it's true.

Who cares about their pair bonding abiltiy. That only matters in civilization where pair bonding matters because of property. Well guess what, we didn't evolve from civilization. This civilization thing is very new to us. Our nature is short term coupling and moving on to the next.

Men would save themselves alot of pain if they just accepted this. No need to be angry when she cheats on you. She was designed to cheat just like we were designed to cheat. Don't be jealous. Just move on to the next female. That's my point essentially.

Well yeah, but succumbing to out animalistic desires doesn't a stable society make. We were also made to kill each other & rape. But somehow only women's nature is ok? It's either both or nothing.

 

[Am Shaegar]

Pre history was way better than the mess we have today though that's for sure.

Wherever or not that is true the problem is your version of pre-history is a liberal fantasy and has nothing to do with reality, it's easily disproven and we don't even have to go into pre-history to do so.

What I am saying is actually very black pilled. Im saying stop trying to control female sexuality. You cant do it. The more you try the worse it gets. Our pre historic ancestors knew this. Thats why they let the women **** who they wanted ( to a degree) and everything worked out. With only like 150 people in a tribe there was only so many dycks she could suck.

Another problem is that your entire premise is ****ed and you don't have deeper thoughts about it. Nobody ever outside the most bluepilled white knight chums thinks of women that way. Even the bible and sources from polytheistic religions in antiquity call women out as being untrustworthy sluts. You are not delivering new information or bringing revelation down the mountain. The point has never been if women are biological monogamous creatures, the questions is if you let women get away with being sluts, let them walk over you and taking your resources, because if you do, you are simply an idiot thats being cuckolded. Even our current era proves you wrong, because our current world is **** not because we are caging women in at the moment, but because we have allowed them to run amok. The current civilisation you claim to be so displeased with is the product of allowing women to do as they please, just the way you advocate it. The anti depressants, male suicide, low birth rates and a whole slew of other problems are caused by female egotism at the cost of men and not because of jelousy or some other bull****. And all your great advise boils down to is being the dog that sits in a house on fire and thinks this is fine.

 

[samspade]

A woman will always cheat with the right man under the right circumstances.

Agree, so will a man, for this reason alone I don't think monogamy is natural.

 

[samspade]

Hot women don't need to be sexually aggressive. Maybe when they are drunk it might happen, but as a general rule hot women don't approach any men because they are getting approached all the time. The most a guy might get is an inviting look. But she pounces on him and offers sex? No hot woman does that to a guy she doesn't know.

I've agreed with a lot you've said, but I guess this is where our opinions and experiences diverge.

Of course she won't pounce and offer sex right away. I don't do that either. A smart man's spidey sense would be telling him to run for the hills if this happened - usually it's a scam. The other scenario where this happens is the gap in attractiveness/value is so great that she can chalk it up to "never gonna happen," e.g. a super fat/ugly/post wall girl goes for a hot guy, or any girl goes after a major celebrity. (I'm not a celebrity but I have turned down major come-ons and invitations from girls like that, lol.)

However I've been approached by attractive women clearly looking for sex. Women are not as smooth as they think they are. They send cues and tells left and right and even vocalize it without saying so directly. They will do this for men they see as high value. But as we discussed before, any man can be perceived as high value in the right moment (like the high school boy seduced by the sexy teacher).

Your argument seems to be that women don't go out looking for any old d!ck to ride. Of course not. Do you go out and bang just any vagina? I hope not. But they do approach, initiate kino, etc. They usually won't go for a kiss but will throw a slow-mo underhand softball. This is why I'm always emphasizing building your value, both IRL and in your own mind. Not saying a man should just sit back and wait, but it's funny to see how the game changes and how women become seductresses when around the right man.

 

[Pandora]

Well yeah, but succumbing to out animalistic desires doesn't a stable society make. We were also made to kill each other & rape. But somehow only women's nature is ok? It's either both or nothing.

But we weren't made to kill and rape. That's what social Darwinism has brainwashed into the American population. Humans largely cooperate. Fighting is the exception. Lethal fighting usually happens when resources are scare and social hierarchy ( govt) is involved. Yes it occasionally happens but we cooperate way more than we fight. Again, when was the last time you got into a fight. How many fights do you see on a pick up basketball court. Even in the hood it's relatively rare.

Read the account of the explorers when they found these so called Savages. They remarked on how relatively peaceful they were.

It's like that scene in Fight Club. They had to go pick a fight with a stranger and it was very difficult.

 

[metalwater]

The whole point of my post is that we have to accept that women want to be sexually free. They never wanted monogamy. WE DID. Before civilization we let them be free.

When we marry them and they divorce us in 7 yrs...that is natural to them. This is not a bug. It's a feature. They were made to hop on dyck after dyck. They were designed for genetic and sexually diversity. We don't want to believe it but it's true.

Who cares about their pair bonding abiltiy. That only matters in civilization where pair bonding matters because of property. Well guess what, we didn't evolve from civilization. This civilization thing is very new to us. Our nature is short term coupling and moving on to the next.

Men would save themselves alot of pain if they just accepted this. No need to be angry when she cheats on you. She was designed to cheat just like we were designed to cheat. Don't be jealous. Just move on to the next female. That's my point essentially.

thinking about this..

a question from the devil's advocate.

let's assume this is true... why would the man need to move to the next female. AWALT, the next one is not better than the last one or the current one. they all going to be the same way. so why do we next a female that is simply being natural and in an expected way? then we simply get another one that has the same problem, AWALT.

insanity; expecting different results from the same actions.

 

[SW15]

I also lived in Vegas and let me tell you they cheat ALOT more than you think. I have pictures to prove everything I am saying.

Isn't Vegas where women literally go to cheat?

Women cheating is purely circumstantial. It relates to circumstance, opportunity and consequences.

What happens in Las Vegas doesn’t have a lot of applicability outside of Las Vegas. The area around the Las Vegas Strip has been somewhat of a separate world even from the world that Las Vegas locals know. It’s common knowledge that a large percentage of Las Vegas locals avoid The Strip during their leisure time. While many Las Vegas locals work on The Strip, they socialize off the strip.

Since Las Vegas men know that there is easy vagina to be had around The Strip, it seems logical that there are some local Las Vegas men that spend time around The Strip looking for easy tourist vagina. Logistics are relevant here, as I’m sure these men get apartments near The Strip for easier seduction. Even without a near Strip apartment, getting into a woman’s hotel room isn’t that difficult. In that situation, I would opt to have a near Strip apartment.

Part of the reason that Las Vegas is a difficult long term mating environment is because of the easy vagina on The Strip phenomenon. If a Las Vegas local man is unhappy with his Las Vegas local female, he can opt for casual sex on The Strip. The pandemic has changed the dynamics with this to an extent with fewer tourists and fewer business travelers for conferences.

I have lived with college athletes and they pass around girls like it's nothing. Even in the entertainment industry they are all fuking the same chicks you bozo.

At my college, the athletes were getting a decent quantity of vagina. I didn’t hear about athletes passing women around but I wasn’t that plugged into that scene.

The problem with this forum is a lot of you Gen Z guys come on here with no real life experience and want to tell older dudes about hypergamy you read in a book.

The Gen Z generation is not even having sex. They don't really know how much better it was even 15 yrs ago. So when I tell you that women actually used to smash regular dudes it sounds unbelievable to you. I get it.

The Millennials started the trend of less sex in the 2000s when they were 18-25 and Gen Z is continuing on that.

Women are sexually selective. This is a fact that isn't even worth debating. Even handsome dudes have to work for it if she's young and attractive. This is because an attractive female's abundance will always outstrip any single handsome guy's value when rubber meets the road in this current market. An attractive female's abundance of handsome guy options in 2022 also blunts the effect any 1 single handsome would have on her.

What's great though is that Game solves the problem. There's a system for turning women on, and if you get her at the right time it's a damn good system. What's even better is that most guys don't know how to do it. This is where you can get a serious edge in the market.

Yes, women have way more abundance than most men can imagine, especially if they are using swipe apps. Women have a pool of men to pick from with swipe apps, all social media websites, and the approaches they field in real life. While their greatest quantity will come from the swipe apps, do not discount how many guys try to slide into their DMs on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or even LinkedIn.

Men need a seduction system like Game now more than ever. The necessity of Game for men has been so much higher since the year 2000. The difference from 1999-2002 (around the time I was first coming up) to 2017-2022 is substantial.

Women do go out to bars looking for a casual fling. They usually only do it very rarely and it's usually just a short phase in their life. They are usually doing it to feel good or after a break up. One night stands do happen.

It's not as common as it used to be before online dating but it does happen. I have been the lucky guy of this only a few times. The sex is usually awkward because you guys have no real connection.

Online dating, especially in the app era, has replaced a lot of going to bars to look for casual flings. A good amount of the casual sex that occurs is set up on Tinder, Twitter, and Instagram. This only happens for a small percentage of high status men such as professional athletes, naturally good looking men (8+), and other celebrity level men. Also, let’s not forget the wealthy men using Seeking to find sugar babies. That audience also takes away from the bar scene for casual sex.

I agree that the sex is usually awkward and that sort of situation is a selling point for extended relationships where familiarity and connection can be built.

 

[SW15]

Here are a couple of articles that discuss the serial monogamy window that I mentioned earlier in the thread about women's preferred mating tactics. The Atlantic article is written by Wendy "Wednesday" Martin, who has written some interesting articles about female sexuality that have challenged some norms. She wrote about female heteroflexibility in New York social circles, where New York women who are married to men go to The Hamptons in the summer and have sex with women (often female personal trainers) while away from The City.

The Bored Sex

Women, more than men, tend to feel stultified by long-term exclusivity—despite having been taught that they were designed for it.

www.theatlantic.com

This Is When Most People In Relationships Get Bored With Sex

A new study shows that women in relationships tend to get bored of sex with their partners after the one-year mark hits.

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If she's on birth control and she's living in the West, then the real physical consequences of sex are small to her.

Where she experiences consequences are in her mind and mental health. Multiple sexual partners ruins a womans mindscape - this was once mainstream knowledge.

I agree. There are few consequences for women with sex if using birth control and the men she's with are using condoms. If she's on birth control and not protecting for STDs, then there are real consequences there.

I also agree on the mental health consequences of numerous partners. At a certain point, too many partners will ruin a woman's ability to pair bond well. Thus, she becomes a poor candidate for marriage. Too many men are putting rings on women whose notch counts are too high to pair bond in a marriage. While higher notch count women may be capable of an extended non-marital relationship lasting somewhere from 2-5 years, it's not at all a good idea to get involved with a higher notch count woman in a situation where there's a legal contract with a government entity. The notch count that it takes for a woman to be a high flight risk in a marriage is lower than most men think that it is. From my understanding, it is around a 5 notch count or so. It's not difficult for a woman to have sex with 5 men. A large percentage of women 26 and older who are single and out on the market have had sex with 5 or more men.

Guys today think that the issue with slvts is their loose and dirty vags. No. The real issue is their broken minds. They are incapable of providing that sweet femininity, submissiveness and adoration to a man that a virgin is able to provide. They become jaded, embittered and hostile. The old "crazy Ho" or "crazy cat lady" - these are women who've had their minds broken by penis.

Science have even discovered that semen squirted up a vag travels through her body and permanently lodges itself in the female brain. Every load of cvm she's taken from a different dude, that dude's DNA literally lives in her forever. Seems that nature has us wired for ownership at a DNA level, otherwise why that sperm traveling into her brain bro?

The first part is accurate. I've read some mixed stuff about the second part. A lot of men who ejaculate inside women are also ejaculating in a condom while inside the vagina. That might also affect things. Women who put up notches with the man ejaculating in a condom in her vag are also going to be mentally affected and pair bond affected too.

 

[kavi]

So my point on this.

Sex is love. It is about feeling good about oneself. In my ethnic community here in the UK (we come from a very traditional background) the girls are ll supposed to be getting married and their is a lot of judgement and pressure and women are generally not feeling good about themselves. The result is lots and lots of NSA Casual sex before marriage, I mean just casual sex no boyfriends or anything like that cos these girls they dont wanna get caught by the community or get a bad rep then no one will marry them. It is all cold and nefarious and calculating and these girls they are unhappy and broken.

The sex thing it is this, it is meant to be high-quality, somewhat rare, the person you have sex with it is like a love thing so whether it is One time, FWB or whatever there has to be quality cos for both parties it determines their personal value as humans.

But in our society there is a dearth of love and positive energy and self-esteem, this is causing both men and women to seek out sex to fill that gap. This is like an addiction to low-quality junk food. The more you do the lower you go and you never find real fullfillment.

But when people have love and positivity and happiness in their lives you will find they dont need sex as much, then sex is the peak of love rather than a replacement for it. When I say love I dont just mean an LTR or attachment I am talking about self-esteem, fulfillment and happiness.

I know for myself when I am down I feel I need sex as a validation but when I feel good I dont feel I need it. When I get stressed I feel I need it more. So I imagine this is the same for women. Nowadays we are seeing that in many ways men and women are the same.

So the sex thing it really is meant to happen less than in our society and everyone should aspire to do it in a way that it is high-quality and benefits society.

The problem is that women tend to want something in exchange and lots of guys dont care about the girls or being honest about it and just want to get laid (very beta and low-class behaviour) and this is causing lots of problems.

Sex is love so you have to get it it is not about sex it is always about love.

Getting laid is NEVER a determination of a mans value because women are playing all kinds of clever games out there with their manipulations. If you think getting laid has anything to do with you being alpha or successful with women you really dont understand women.

 

[SW15]

On your condoms points - in my experience, past a point of attraction, women are very loose with condoms (and so are guys). Withdrawal method is huge now.

On your Notch count/marriage point I disagree. I think the awful truth is that even a girl who’s been with 1 guy before you is unsuitable for marriage because her hypergamy switch has been flipped (your threshold of 5 is way too high. Even if a single guy has jizzed in her, then his cvm is in her brain forever. Would you buy that? I wouldn’t.

I’ll happily pump and dump her tho.

My views on this are very mainstream. It’s just the Woke Takeover that makes me seem radical now. Virginity has been a requirement for marriage for most of our history.

I agree with your point on condoms. I've been more stringent than average about using condoms.

Roosh wrote an article in 2010 called "American Girls Don’t Use Condoms Anymore"

American Girls Don’t Use Condoms Anymore » Roosh V

I'm shocked at the behavior of American women when it comes to condom use. Middle class white girls are, hands down, the dirtiest, filthiest type of girl I've

web.archive.org

I doubt this trend has changed at all since 2010.

I'll agree that my 5 threshold might be too high. It doesn't take many notches for a woman to be ruined for the level of pair bonding necessary for a 30+ year marriage. The increase in female promiscuity is related to the increase in failed marriages.

 

[SW15]

It is a shame for guys who are looking for a woman who can securely bond with him.

what’s even sadder is a lot of these girls are getting banged from the age of 13-14 by school boys who have no idea what they are doing, inadvertently messing up their pair bonding abilities. These kids don’t stand a chance, and so the vicious cycle continues.

And it’s worth mentioning again. None of this, at a societal level, is accidental. It’s all been engineered to destroy families and atomise everyone (and it’s working pretty damn well).

Most women will manage to get their vaginas penetrated by their 18th birthdays. Most women turn 18 at some point in their senior year of high school if they don't drop out of high school.

While Millennials and Gen Z'ers have not been having as much sex in high school, most of the sexlessness is concentrated amongst males.

If a woman happens to make it through high school without having sex and goes to college, she won't make it through college sexless. She'll either marry her college boyfriend as a virgin (rare) or lose her virginity freshman or sophomore year to some random college dude or with a college boyfriend that doesn't end up leading to a marriage.

Teen pregnancy has become less common in recent decades, starting with when the Millennials were in high school in the late 1990s-early 2000s. That's one consequence of less high school sex. Another reason for less teen pregnancy is that more people are going to college. It's difficult to sit for the ACT/SAT exam and do college applications while pregnant, giving birth, or having an infant.

The friends I've made since moving to my current city got married mainly between ages 27-33 to similarly aged women. Marriage is more common at later ages than it was in 1960, 1970, or even 1980 (after the Sexual Revolution was normalized). When people marry at later ages, there are more opportunities for pre-marital partnering. The average woman marrying in the 2010s likely had a higher notch count than the average woman marrying in the 1960s or even the 1970s when the Sexual Revolution was becoming more normalized. The typical bride of 1975 who was in her early 20s was living out of the Sexual Revolution is real time. The typical bride of the 2010s was born after the Sexual Revolution and has known nothing but a post Revolution, post 2nd wave feminist culture.

 

[samspade]

Lethal fighting usually happens when resources are scare and social hierarchy ( govt) is involved.

Or in a Popeye's or on a domestic flight...

 

[samspade]

Help me to understand something. Why do you compare what you do with what women do? E.g. you wrote - “of course a woman won’t pounce on you for sex. I wouldn’t do that either”.

You said that women don't just "pounce" on men for sex. Nobody said they did, it was your word. So where did you get this concept and why are you arguing it?

And also, hot women are not just throwing themselves at you for sex. That doesn’t happen.

You mean that doesn't happen to you. (Which I don't believe.) And again, you're using ridiculous terminology that I didn't use.

You're right that women experience sex and seduction differently, but you can't seem to get out of your own way and open that door, at least in your posts. You are commenting on sex from a cartoonish male perspective:

Men have to perform first - even if it’s just approaching her. Accept your burden of performance and quit the magical thinking.

High value men have no burdens and there's no performing. Guys running autistic PUA routines on girl after girl will score eventually, I don't deny that. But you're right, they will always carry the burden of having to approach. Just a matter of wavelengths and levels.

 

[DonJuanjr]

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This is how i imagine @Pandora right now

I gave you a thumbs up for this. Not because I agree with it, but because I think it's fvcking hilarious.

I think the premise is definitely possible. I can understand why you'd be apprehensive to it. Considering your goal of getting married by a certain time.

 

[samspade]

Let’s get really specific shall we?

Hot women don’t pounce on men they’ve just met for sex.

You are claiming that hot women pounce on you for sex as soon as they lay eyes on you….funny, and a bit sad.

Look bro. I never said "pounce," you did. This isn't really going anywhere at this point, you're stuck in your own feedback loop with that word.

Attractive women do initiate sexual seduction with high value men. That has been my experience. I don't speak for everyone, everyone's experiences are different. That's cool.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Pandora is already operating on the clown logic that pre-history was some kind of paradise, that living as a hunter gather is the "natural" state of humans, that agriculture/civilisation is somehow "unnatural" despite being the norm for 10.000 years and that between pre-history and today not a single culture really took it's code of morality and laws serious and everyone was ****ing with everyone regardless. So what do you expect? I suspect he was already purpe pilled and then reading the liberal political hack work that is "Sex at Dawn" only reinforced his views.

No clue but as @SW15 brought to my attention, Geoffrey Miller is a cuckold. Rollo championed alpha god by Hector Garcia? Make feminists. The majority of these books are phaggotry despite the data sets contrary to the woke agenda.

Essentially were all being trolled be by house husband's on YouTube or Evo psych dorks pedaling the narrative about watching their wives get their **** pushed in.

I found more value in Evo sexual desire and the naked ape. Still i exercise common sense and I dismiss everything mainstream consciousness (or lack thereof. ..more accurately).