In depth study of the Book of Pook

[davidsonj73]

@BackInTheGame78 @BPH I see your points. I guess I'll focus on earning more money for the time being.

 

[BPH]

OP is struggling to get women his own age for reasons that should be obvious if you read his posts, what makes you think he is going to get a woman 30 years younger?

If you are a top tier male in that age group then sure, you can likely do that. But OP is not close to that, IMO.

I'm just trying to be constructive while giving him realistic expectations.

 

[davidsonj73]

I'm just trying to be constructive while giving him realistic expectations.

@BPH I appreciate that!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'm just trying to be constructive while giving him realistic expectations.

Those aren't realistic expectations.

 

[Vanderdonck]

@BackInTheGame78 @BPH I see your points. I guess I'll focus on earning more money for the time being.

You don't have to just focus on one thing. You also don't have to spend a year of your life studying like a scholar.

Read the stuff, ask questions where necessary, but get out and talk to people. Talk to women of all ages.

Be open minded and confident but keep your expectations in check. That should go whether you're 20 or 60.

20 something women can be charmed but maybe one out of 50 will go through with sexing a guy your age, and it will be more out of curiosity/a ONS than for something long term. (Otherwise it's usually for money straight up.)

But forget age and just get out and talk to women you think are nice. Practice and have fun. Nothing wrong with wanting an LTR but put that aside until someone actually demonstrates real interest in you. Be the guy people want to talk to.

 

[tksniper]

OP- you might be better off becoming a spiritual guru/yoga master and opening up your own studio. White chicks eat that up. You can have them come to you by offering free classes. Give yourself a Hindu name like Babayoga or something. Learn about tantric sex and how to give women explosive spiritual orgasms with your fingers (there are actually dudes that specializes in this). And don’t forget to grow that obligatory “guru” beard. You need a gray/white beard if you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual guru.

Now, before you guys laugh, I used to live in San Francisco (the hippie capital of the world) and this was a real thing. There were guys who marketed themselves as spiritual gurus and experts in tantric sex. They would have their own cults and harems of women. Some of these guys were fat and bald and were well into their 50’s and 60’s. Some of them even lived off the women. These guys had status in their tribes.

I actually had a friend who struggled mightily with women that went the yoga route. He got his instructor’s certification in yoga and opened his own studio. When I attended one of his classes I couldn’t help but to notice the attendance was 100% females and most of them were hot.

One time we were having a conversation and he was like “Dude there’s this one chick who keeps attending my classes. She’s always eye fvcking me from across the room. Even after the class is over she’s always lingering around staring at me. I don’t want to lose any credibility by flirting with her. How do you think I should approach this?” I was like “Dude man I thought you were supposed to be spiritual and sh1t. You’re telling me this whole yoga thing was just an elaborate scheme to get laid?!?!?”. Of course he eventually went on to become a guru in trantric sex as well.

If there’s a will, there’s a way. Lol.

 

[Divorced w 3]

OP- you might be better off becoming a spiritual guru/yoga master and opening up your own studio. White chicks eat that up. You can have them come to you by offering free classes. Give yourself a Hindu name like Babayoga or something. Learn about tantric sex and how to give women explosive spiritual orgasms with your fingers (there are actually dudes that specializes in this). And don’t forget to grow that obligatory “guru” beard. You need a gray/white beard if you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual guru.

Now, before you guys laugh, I used to live in San Francisco (the hippie capital of the world) and this was a real thing. There were guys who marketed themselves as spiritual gurus and experts in tantric sex. They would have their own cults and harems of women. Some of these guys were fat and bald and were well into their 50’s and 60’s. Some of them even lived off the women. These guys had status in their tribes.

I actually had a friend who struggled mightily with women that went the yoga route. He got his instructor’s certification in yoga and opened his own studio. When I attended one of his classes I couldn’t help but to notice the attendance was 100% females and most of them were hot.

One time we were having a conversation and he was like “Dude there’s this one chick who keeps attending my classes. She’s always eye fvcking me from across the room. Even after the class is over she’s always lingering around staring at me. I don’t want to lose any credibility by flirting with her. How do you think I should approach this?” I was like “Dude man I thought you were supposed to be spiritual and sh1t. You’re telling me this whole yoga thing was just an elaborate scheme to get laid?!?!?”. Of course he eventually went on to become a guru in trantric sex as well.

If there’s a will, there’s a way. Lol.

This reminds me of two things.

1: the best place to hide is in plain sight, like your friend did.

2: I need to get back to doing sprints and then get back over to hot yoga and take my shirt off.

 

[davidsonj73]

OP- you might be better off becoming a spiritual guru/yoga master and opening up your own studio. White chicks eat that up. You can have them come to you by offering free classes. Give yourself a Hindu name like Babayoga or something. Learn about tantric sex and how to give women explosive spiritual orgasms with your fingers (there are actually dudes that specializes in this). And don’t forget to grow that obligatory “guru” beard. You need a gray/white beard if you want to be taken seriously as a spiritual guru.

Now, before you guys laugh, I used to live in San Francisco (the hippie capital of the world) and this was a real thing. There were guys who marketed themselves as spiritual gurus and experts in tantric sex. They would have their own cults and harems of women. Some of these guys were fat and bald and were well into their 50’s and 60’s. Some of them even lived off the women. These guys had status in their tribes.

I actually had a friend who struggled mightily with women that went the yoga route. He got his instructor’s certification in yoga and opened his own studio. When I attended one of his classes I couldn’t help but to notice the attendance was 100% females and most of them were hot.

One time we were having a conversation and he was like “Dude there’s this one chick who keeps attending my classes. She’s always eye fvcking me from across the room. Even after the class is over she’s always lingering around staring at me. I don’t want to lose any credibility by flirting with her. How do you think I should approach this?” I was like “Dude man I thought you were supposed to be spiritual and sh1t. You’re telling me this whole yoga thing was just an elaborate scheme to get laid?!?!?”. Of course he eventually went on to become a guru in trantric sex as well.

If there’s a will, there’s a way. Lol.

@tksniper That is awesome!

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I think that if the woman I'm with knows that I have other options/sees me as a catch, she will be more loyal to me in a LTR.

What other options, your online study group?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Now, before you guys laugh, I used to live in San Francisco (the hippie capital of the world) and this was a real thing. There were guys who marketed themselves as spiritual gurus and experts in tantric sex. They would have their own cults and harems of women. Some of these guys were fat and bald and were well into their 50’s and 60’s. Some of them even lived off the women. These guys had status in their tribes.

A fat yoga guru? As they say, only in America...

 

[characternote]

where's the respected poster (I forget his name) who said that the younger they are the easier they are?! We need him now lol

 

[Bigpapa]

where's the respected poster (I forget his name) who said that the younger they are the easier they are?! We need him now lol

to a degree it is, as they are more naive and do not screen that much / play games. Basically it is quite a smooth ride if she is attracted to you

Young people usually hook up more or less inside their extended social circle, so unless you are not part of groups where young people are, you will basically have almost 0 exposure to them

 

[RangerMIke]

Book of Pook is a great philosophical and theoretical discussion on interpersonal relationships. I think it's a good place to start if a man is confused about reality. I don't think the Book of Pook is a good reference for self-improvement. It does a great job of describing reality and why things are the way they are... but doesn't pretend to give advice on what to do about it.

What to do is simple to say... hard to do.

(1) Be the best version of yourself possible... physically fit within the limits of your body and age.
(2) Work hard in your professional life which translates into financial security.
(3) Understand who you are and what you want then to maintain that frame.
(4) Abandon bad habits that get in the way of 1-3, and develop good habits that help with 1-3. This takes discipline.
(5) Try to make dates... if she goes with you great... if she doesn't then forget about her and move on.
(6) If your 'relationship" doesn't fit 3, then walk away and don't look back.
(7) Never let any women pull you away from 1-3.

The bottom-line is that you have to find women who want what you have. It's a lot of work dating and sorting but it is the only way to find what really makes you happy. I think even though "Doc Love's - The System" is in many ways dated, the principles are the same. If you find yourself in a situation that you are working too hard to get something off the ground or maintaining a situation, then you walk away. Women who like you and want you will make things easy... if it is hard (giving in too much, spending sh1t loads of money), then you are being manipulated so that she can shape you into what she wants... she has settled for you... and you are a project. It's no fun being a 'project'.

 

[tksniper]

Book of Pook is a great philosophical and theoretical discussion on interpersonal relationships. I think it's a good place to start if a man is confused about reality. I don't think the Book of Pook is a good reference for self-improvement. It does a great job of describing reality and why things are the way they are... but doesn't pretend to give advice on what to do about it.

What to do is simple to say... hard to do.

(1) Be the best version of yourself possible... physically fit within the limits of your body and age.
(2) Work hard in your professional life which translates into financial security.
(3) Understand who you are and what you want then to maintain that frame.
(4) Abandon bad habits that get in the way of 1-3, and develop good habits that help with 1-3. This takes discipline.
(5) Try to make dates... if she goes with you great... if she doesn't then forget about her and move on.
(6) If your 'relationship" doesn't fit 3, then walk away and don't look back.
(7) Never let any women pull you away from 1-3.

The bottom-line is that you have to find women who want what you have. It's a lot of work dating and sorting but it is the only way to find what really makes you happy. I think even though "Doc Love's - The System" is in many ways dated, the principles are the same. If you find yourself in a situation that you are working too hard to get something off the ground or maintaining a situation, then you walk away. Women who like you and want you will make things easy... if it is hard (giving in too much, spending sh1t loads of money), then you are being manipulated so that she can shape you into what she wants... she has settled for you... and you are a project. It's no fun being a 'project'.

Great post. I find that when you have a daily process of improving your frame, fitness, and finance, women naturally give you a bunch of open windows to jump through.

And some of them would even jump through your windows. And this is something that isn’t often talked about. I think it’s because men have a hunter’s mentality. But we forget that women go on the prowl as well. If you have a lot of value, you should work on making yourself approachable and attainable instead of trying to look too alpha and intimidating.

 

[Bigpapa]

Great post. I find that when you have a daily process of improving your frame, fitness, and finance, women naturally give you a bunch of open windows to jump through.

And some of them would even jump through your windows. And this is something that isn’t often talked about. I think it’s because men have a hunter’s mentality. But we forget that women go on the prowl as well. If you have a lot of value, you should work on making yourself approachable and attainable instead of trying to look too alpha and intimidating.

Great post

Though, women more be more indirect vs men who are more direct

 

[davidsonj73]

Great post. I find that when you have a daily process of improving your frame, fitness, and finance, women naturally give you a bunch of open windows to jump through.

And some of them would even jump through your windows. And this is something that isn’t often talked about. I think it’s because men have a hunter’s mentality. But we forget that women go on the prowl as well. If you have a lot of value, you should work on making yourself approachable and attainable instead of trying to look too alpha and intimidating.

@tksniper What do you mean by improving your frame? What is frame?

 

[tksniper]

@tksniper What do you mean by improving your frame? What is frame?

I would say it’s a persons beliefs/mindset/interpretation of reality.

For example, a lot of guys frame is they are trying to seduce a woman. My frame would be I am giving her an opportunity to win with me. So if a woman is trying to act as if she is doing me a favor or that I am failing to meet her qualifications, my frame would pick up on it right away. And I would remind her that I don’t need her validation and approval.

Sometimes attractive women will play frame games with you because they are used to simps groveling at their feet.

A technique (I hate to use this word) that works when it comes to establishing your non -approval seeking frame is disqualifying yourself.

For example, let’s just say I am in a group of 4 guys and 1 woman and she says something like “I hate guys who throw their trash on the street. Would it kill them to find a trash can?” Chances are the rest of the 4 guys would agree with her.

But I’ll do the opposite. First I would agree with her (because I do), but then I would say something like “But honestly I’m guilty of throwing things on the ground from time to time. I know, I’m horrible. I’m constantly battling my inner apathy for life.”

Ironically it’s the guy who has no need to agree with her and goes out of his way to admit he’s not perfect and is an even guilty of the very thing she hates is the guy who will dominate the conversation and appear higher status. Women have a strong radar for kiss-a$$ behavior from men.

Some women will battle you for a bit and try to shame you but I’ll just keep doubling down. I’ll say something like “One time I even threw my trash down a sewer because I figured it’s already filthy down there anyway. I know, I’m bad. Haha.”

I think when it comes to women, the only frame you need to remember is you are not trying to impress her. You are simply expressing yourself, flaws and all. It’s very subtle but you can often see guys qualifying themselves to women. These guys think if they look impressive to the woman, they will be liked. But in reality, qualifying yourself to people makes you look weak and supplicating.

And women have very strong radars when it comes to weak and supplicating behavior, especially from men. They have an entire lifetime of experience since middle school.

If there is one thing women are good at, it is detecting desperate, needy, and supplicating behavior.

 

[davidsonj73]

I would say it’s a persons beliefs/mindset/interpretation of reality.

For example, a lot of guys frame is they are trying to seduce a woman. My frame would be I am giving her an opportunity to win with me. So if a woman is trying to act as if she is doing me a favor or that I am failing to meet her qualifications, my frame would pick up on it right away. And I would remind her that I don’t need her validation and approval.

Sometimes attractive women will play frame games with you because they are used to simps groveling at their feet.

A technique (I hate to use this word) that works when it comes to establishing your non -approval seeking frame is disqualifying yourself.

For example, let’s just say I am in a group of 4 guys and 1 woman and she says something like “I hate guys who throw their trash on the street. Would it kill them to find a trash can?” Chances are the rest of the 4 guys would agree with her.

But I’ll do the opposite. First I would agree with her (because I do), but then I would say something like “But honestly I’m guilty of throwing things on the ground from time to time. I know, I’m horrible. I’m constantly battling my inner apathy for life.”

Ironically it’s the guy who has no need to agree with her and goes out of his way to admit he’s not perfect and is an even guilty of the very thing she hates is the guy who will dominate the conversation and appear higher status. Women have a strong radar for kiss-a$$ behavior from men.

Some women will battle you for a bit and try to shame you but I’ll just keep doubling down. I’ll say something like “One time I even threw my trash down a sewer because I figured it’s already filthy down there anyway. I know, I’m bad. Haha.”

I think when it comes to women, the only frame you need to remember is you are not trying to impress her. You are simply expressing yourself, flaws and all. It’s very subtle but you can often see guys qualifying themselves to women. These guys think if they look impressive to the woman, they will be liked. But in reality, qualifying yourself to people makes you look weak and supplicating.

And women have very strong radars when it comes to weak and supplicating behavior, especially from men. They have an entire lifetime of experience since middle school.

If there is one thing women are good at, it is detecting desperate, needy, and supplicating behavior.

@tksniper That makes sense. Thank you!

 

[BeExcellent]

Think of frame in the literal sense to better understand. What does a frame do? It contains a painting or a photo. It captures a perspective by placing boundaries.

Take out you cell phone and look through the camera at something. You cannot see your entire reality in the confines of the viewfinder. Now. Turn 180 degrees. Your picture is entirely different, see.

"Frame" as it applies in red pill parlance, is the picture you frame of yourself and your life. It is what you are focused on.

Go back to your cell phone camera. Turn the camera as though you are going to take a selfie. See how you are within the bounds of the viewfinder? Now imagine a woman enters your selfie. Now she is 'in your frame'.....so to speak.

Now turn off your selfie camera and go back to normal picture taking mode. See a woman walking by? See her in your viewfinder as she passes?

You'd have to go chasing after her, LITERALLY, to get into that picture, right? The focus becomes HER.

That is no good.

So "frame" is a metaphor for where your focus and perspective lies in relationship to someone else. Right now you are much too concerned with packaging yourself to please some unknown and as yet undefined woman.

Why do you feel the need to manipulate yourself for some undefined person? Why not solidify yourself as who you are; as what you stand for. Do what you like to do, enjoy things you genuinely enjoy. People who dress right, join clubs, drive certain cars or act a certain way to portray a certain image to others often lose themselves in the process. The way you dress, behave and live must be a reflection of who you already are. Not the other way around.

You like good food & wine? Ok. Go enjoy that. You like sporting events? Sailing? Cigars? Chess? Golf?

Whatever. Go enjoy that. Be who you are. Otherwise you are a mirage trying to measure up against some percieved standard....no solid core. No substance. Too malleable a person to be FELT as solid within yourself.

That creates a weird, creepy, antiseductive vibe that will turn women (and others) off.

You must be genuine. Otherwise you give off a disingenuous vibe, and that will create a sense of distrust about who you are because hell. You don't even know yourself.

Fix that before you worry about women. Who are you? What do you value independent of women? What gives you meaning in life?

 

[davidsonj73]

Think of frame in the literal sense to better understand. What does a frame do? It contains a painting or a photo. It captures a perspective by placing boundaries.

Take out you cell phone and look through the camera at something. You cannot see your entire reality in the confines of the viewfinder. Now. Turn 180 degrees. Your picture is entirely different, see.

"Frame" as it applies in red pill parlance, is the picture you frame of yourself and your life. It is what you are focused on.

Go back to your cell phone camera. Turn the camera as though you are going to take a selfie. See how you are within the bounds of the viewfinder? Now imagine a woman enters your selfie. Now she is 'in your frame'.....so to speak.

Now turn off your selfie camera and go back to normal picture taking mode. See a woman walking by? See her in your viewfinder as she passes?

You'd have to go chasing after her, LITERALLY, to get into that picture, right? The focus becomes HER.

That is no good.

So "frame" is a metaphor for where your focus and perspective lies in relationship to someone else. Right now you are much too concerned with packaging yourself to please some unknown and as yet undefined woman.

Why do you feel the need to manipulate yourself for some undefined person? Why not solidify yourself as who you are; as what you stand for. Do what you like to do, enjoy things you genuinely enjoy. People who dress right, join clubs, drive certain cars or act a certain way to portray a certain image to others often lose themselves in the process. The way you dress, behave and live must be a reflection of who you already are. Not the other way around.

You like good food & wine? Ok. Go enjoy that. You like sporting events? Sailing? Cigars? Chess? Golf?

Whatever. Go enjoy that. Be who you are. Otherwise you are a mirage trying to measure up against some percieved standard....no solid core. No substance. Too malleable a person to be FELT as solid within yourself.

That creates a weird, creepy, antiseductive vibe that will turn women (and others) off.

You must be genuine. Otherwise you give off a disingenuous vibe, and that will create a sense of distrust about who you are because hell. You don't even know yourself.

Fix that before you worry about women. Who are you? What do you value independent of women? What gives you meaning in life?

@BeExcellent Wow! You really explained the concept of frame well! I think you're right: that I need to figure out who I am/what I like before I worry about trying to get with women, and that if I do otherwise, I'll seem fake. Thank you for pointing that out to me!