Wow this is a heated thread
I'm no more objective than anyone else on this subject, but I'll try to reconcile the various positions as best I can.
1. There is no one way to get with women. Sometimes a guy will find a way that gives him mad success and another guy has a different way, and what we have to learn from this is that getting laid for non-creepers is both common and easy. Even laying dozens of women is very common IME. I know so many women who have been with 30 or 40 guys and they are not even in their 30s yet. The basic idea that "most guys don't get laid" is wrong, the truth is closer to most non-creepers just don't try very hard and end up married with 2 kids and are busy changing ****ty diapers and doing the lawn. Creepers spend all their time trying but usually only get scrapes and single moms who are desperate. lol. Every once and a while you'll get a non-creeper who gets laid on the side like a mad man and has 100+ partners, though. Bottom line: You don't want to be the creeper (btw constantly talking about PUA stuff will definitely make you a creeper). lol.
Basically,this is why I find it laughable that the people who are arguing with me are saying their only method is right. The Social Proof thing is only one arsenal in my disposal, I adjust my game to the environment. I remember when I went out with Bilo (SS member) it was our first time sarging, and a bunch of guys were standing there just looking like lames on the dance floor, and mind you these guys weren't ugly or nothing (no homo) Bilo asked me why they were just standing there and I was the only one approaching , so I opened up a guy on the reverse psychology tip, you know what he said? "I just wait until they make eye contact then I approach", needless to say that guy was waiting all night, while I'm palming/smacking three girls ass's at the same time and these lames are warming their drink.
2. Social Proof. IME this does happen. In my case it seems madly accelerated by interracial social proof. When I've been in club with hot black chicks very hot women have approached me and told me how lame their dates were or tried to pull me onto the dance floor against my will. I don't know if this is a local thing or not but it happens on such a level that there is no denying it. Along the same lines creating jealousy and competition definitely is something I've seen work too both in the US and SA, it's even more potent in SA. One girl is into me and then her friend starts reaching past her to get my attention and competeting for me, In the US it has usually happened between friends actually. IN SA I'd often be talking to one chick and then I'd bait a different chicka into talking to me and trying to get my attention which would set the plotline for the original chic to "steal me away" from the chick who was never really a threat in the first place. However they'd be so worried about the other chick that they'd then feel like they won me over and want to go someplace else (yes, more private) usually a quick, late night dinner and off to the bed we go
Race honestly doesn't matter to me, I use Social Proof though at times to neutralize people/Target (lol @ people walking around looking aggy, I don't get it). Doing Social Proof has gotton me free drinks, business contacts and so much more then getting laid. When I go in, sometimes I have a Target sometimes I don't. I qualify and take it from there, I'm just planting a "seed' to build rapport and then later on can reopen the seed and water it, I have sarged in places that the average "brother" wouldn't be caught dead in, however this has helped me become better in terms of my game overall.
3. Like some of the others, I don't use social proof or even the things I just discussed in point #2. In fact, I won't even see a woman unless she has a bf or is married and is looking for specifically for sex. I want someone else to put up with the daily humdrums and just come over to get some sex, have some laughs, or go out for a couple of drinks and bag the chic then send her home. It doesn't mean I don't care about them, because I truly do, it's just I am not at a place in my life where I can be a bf to someone or spend an inordinate amount of time on someone's daily activities. I don't knock other people who want to try other avenues, they just aren't for me, I'm typically banging 2-3 chicks at any one time and see no need to go looking for more when I find plenty without even really trying.
Once again just speaking for myself, I only use Social Proof depending on the environment. In Certain spots (loud clubs/crowded dance floor) I just go direct, If it's a chill bar and I'm rolling solo, I might do social proof, women don't roll solo at the places I go too(especially college bars), most of them are college girls and usually roll 3 deep or more.
4. You need to be somewhat desirable and somewhat true to self. Even the best bag of tricks is a poor substitute for actually being somewhat desirable. Do you really want to always be trying to patch some broken relationship with more tricks? In my case the answer is no. It's much better to fix any issues in your life that are keeping you from having any natural desirability to others (in almost all cases this will also make one happier with himself anyway) than to try forcing someone who isn't even remotely interested to like you by what cool things you can say or who you're friends with... that adds temporary appeal (if you're good at it and most I've seen try were terrible) but if you're ugly as sin and boring, it's only going to buy you so much time before you come back the same ol problem of the chick isn't actually attracted to you sexually, and that's a problem. Also being phoney is a hard act to keep up. I remember once this guy started seeing my girls friend. He was the common community guy, i mean exact DYD lines and all. I never said anything because I believed he was a nice guy that was just trying to get his too you know, and it worked for a little while. But eventually his personal problems crept out of the closet and he exhausted his supply of things to keep her distracted and she dumped him for one of his buddies. It wasn't even that he was out of his league, they were a good match, but he tried to pretend to be someone else and then when the real him came out they were like night and day different and it made her think there must be something strange going on with him so she bolted.
