"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm surprised nobody ever brings up this guy........

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mr_elor said:
I've never really been a fan of social proof, not even considered using it. To each their own but I'm from the school of thought that if you're an awesome guy, not clingy, funny and dominant, that's all you need.

I've certainly never needed it. Every lay from the club has come from me going into sets on my own, and just working from there.

If guys like using social proof and it helps and they enjoy it, then hey, fair play. You certainly don't need it though, and I know my wings have never been worried about it.
THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...thinking in terms of TACTICS, I'm not agreeing to this stuff as some form of TACTIC. It's more of a lifestyle. Of course if your an awesome guy your set, but if you were learning all this wouldn't you have it ENHANCE your life beyond just a lay?

I'm ONLY talking about having a social circle for the sake of LIFESTYLE...
If you were interested in skateboarding wouldn't you want to meet some COOL skateboarder friends? Go to skateboard events, go to skateboard meetups, get connected to potential sponsors, photographers, etc. An you have NO PROBLEM meeting women so that's not even a thought, but at the sametime you have FEMALE FRIENDS who introduce you to more chicks and all your GUY Friends also have access to meeting women...Some days your kicking it at a friends house guys and girls just hanging, other times your probably rolling to check out a new skateboard.

OR

If you were interested in skateboarding you can stay in the backyard practicing and maybe you have some friends here and there that you grew up with. MAYBE they are into skateboard and maybe NOT...You do the same mundane things of work/school/home. An maybe you call the boys over to play videogames or hit up the club to get some drinks. By random chance you guys will probably find a GF but it's not guaranteed.

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Bottomline I LIVE FOR LIFE EXPERIENCES and one of my female friends wants to go to CHINA with me in the future. That's going to be INSANE because we both are food crazy, she's COOL, she's down for adventure and exploration...So the trip would be a non-stop BLAST.

P.S...If you spend all this time learning this WHY NOT enhance your overall life. I have a wing who got himself a girlie who flew him to Florida just because she was rich, he had no clue that would happen and MOST don't because they focus so much on putting on this "PU Persona" that they never actually improve there lives they are just a guy who can get laid now.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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mr_elor said:
I've never really been a fan of social proof, not even considered using it. To each their own but I'm from the school of thought that if you're an awesome guy, not clingy, funny and dominant, that's all you need.

I've certainly never needed it. Every lay from the club has come from me going into sets on my own, and just working from there.

If guys like using social proof and it helps and they enjoy it, then hey, fair play. You certainly don't need it though, and I know my wings have never been worried about it.
I agree. The whole social proof thing even though it may work for some guys I see it as a sign of weakness in a man's game. A real man doesn't need to hold the skirts of women.

And all of that energy to collect 10 ho's just to be seen walking into a club I cannot even fathom that.

Also that man should be fvcking those women.

Chris Rock talked about female friends as only the women that you have not been able to fruck.
 

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Wow this is a heated thread :) I'm no more objective than anyone else on this subject, but I'll try to reconcile the various positions as best I can.

1. There is no one way to get with women. Sometimes a guy will find a way that gives him mad success and another guy has a different way, and what we have to learn from this is that getting laid for non-creepers is both common and easy. Even laying dozens of women is very common IME. I know so many women who have been with 30 or 40 guys and they are not even in their 30s yet. The basic idea that "most guys don't get laid" is wrong, the truth is closer to most non-creepers just don't try very hard and end up married with 2 kids and are busy changing ****ty diapers and doing the lawn. Creepers spend all their time trying but usually only get scrapes and single moms who are desperate. lol. Every once and a while you'll get a non-creeper who gets laid on the side like a mad man and has 100+ partners, though. Bottom line: You don't want to be the creeper (btw constantly talking about PUA stuff will definitely make you a creeper). lol.

2. Social Proof. IME this does happen. In my case it seems madly accelerated by interracial social proof. When I've been in club with hot black chicks very hot women have approached me and told me how lame their dates were or tried to pull me onto the dance floor against my will. I don't know if this is a local thing or not but it happens on such a level that there is no denying it. Along the same lines creating jealousy and competition definitely is something I've seen work too both in the US and SA, it's even more potent in SA. One girl is into me and then her friend starts reaching past her to get my attention and competeting for me, In the US it has usually happened between friends actually. IN SA I'd often be talking to one chick and then I'd bait a different chicka into talking to me and trying to get my attention which would set the plotline for the original chic to "steal me away" from the chick who was never really a threat in the first place. However they'd be so worried about the other chick that they'd then feel like they won me over and want to go someplace else (yes, more private) usually a quick, late night dinner and off to the bed we go :)

3. Like some of the others, I don't use social proof or even the things I just discussed in point #2. In fact, I won't even see a woman unless she has a bf or is married and is looking for specifically for sex. I want someone else to put up with the daily humdrums and just come over to get some sex, have some laughs, or go out for a couple of drinks and bag the chic then send her home. It doesn't mean I don't care about them, because I truly do, it's just I am not at a place in my life where I can be a bf to someone or spend an inordinate amount of time on someone's daily activities. I don't knock other people who want to try other avenues, they just aren't for me, I'm typically banging 2-3 chicks at any one time and see no need to go looking for more when I find plenty without even really trying.

4. You need to be somewhat desirable and somewhat true to self. Even the best bag of tricks is a poor substitute for actually being somewhat desirable. Do you really want to always be trying to patch some broken relationship with more tricks? In my case the answer is no. It's much better to fix any issues in your life that are keeping you from having any natural desirability to others (in almost all cases this will also make one happier with himself anyway) than to try forcing someone who isn't even remotely interested to like you by what cool things you can say or who you're friends with... that adds temporary appeal (if you're good at it and most I've seen try were terrible) but if you're ugly as sin and boring, it's only going to buy you so much time before you come back the same ol problem of the chick isn't actually attracted to you sexually, and that's a problem. Also being phoney is a hard act to keep up. I remember once this guy started seeing my girls friend. He was the common community guy, i mean exact DYD lines and all. I never said anything because I believed he was a nice guy that was just trying to get his too you know, and it worked for a little while. But eventually his personal problems crept out of the closet and he exhausted his supply of things to keep her distracted and she dumped him for one of his buddies. It wasn't even that he was out of his league, they were a good match, but he tried to pretend to be someone else and then when the real him came out they were like night and day different and it made her think there must be something strange going on with him so she bolted.
 

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SOLOMON THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU.

1. I own a business and have for over 20 years. What that means I do not let another man determine my life and destiny by earning a "pay check." Some can do it some can't handle it. Walking into a club with 10 ho's on my arm isn't about starting a business unless I was in the night club business doing guerilla marketing.

2. Social proof is a weak man's attempt at being popular. If you gotta use a bunch of women to win some kinda ego thing in a club then so be it. I have boned over 129 women and I have never had to use other females to do it. The only time I used other females to get females was when I was running a call girl service.

3. Solomon you got sucked up into that old thing that was on here years ago where cowards were trying to say they were not about just getting pvssy. This whole site is about just getting pvssy so don't get it twisted and fall into those nerds bull. That whole I am here to better myself is a load of shyt. Everyone of those guys who said that had one huge wrist from wacking off.

4. I see Solo as you call yourself that your not a leader. I can see that your friends are popular and your one of those guys I recall in my own past that liked to hang out and hopefully get scraps from the table of pvssy. I challenge you to increase your low self esteem and become the cool guy in the club and you will see a real man's way to getting laid. You won't need anyone but yourself when you walk in.

5. I also challenge you to let this pua study/worship thing that your doing go. Look at your boys or look at the cool players in the clubs. They don't use this stuff.

6. I also challenge you to cut that receeded hair off and shave it. Grow a gottee. Lose weight off your chunky behind and become they type of guy since your very dark like Wesely Snipes, who can get laid without gimmics. Quit wearing a brady bunch wanna be player clothes and develop into the baddest player in your area.

7. I think Metaphysical can help you where your going wrong in your dress department. You probably dont even know that women look at how your dressed and either get turned on or turned off in the area of opening their legs to you. Yes your black so you do know it's about the clothes too. Let these other guys think that clothes don't count. That is until they look at videos put out by style of his bootcamp folks all dressed up.

8. I know your gonna come back with some junk talking out the side of your mouth at me a older player in the game due to your ego. That is ok cause I won't read it playa. If you want some help and ideas then pm me after you settle down. I feel sorry for blacks who end up trying pua crap out and then lying and pretending they ain't one.

9. The choice is yours. Either grow up lil man or stay as you are.

:yes:

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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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everywomanshero said:
Wow this is a heated thread :) I'm no more objective than anyone else on this subject, but I'll try to reconcile the various positions as best I can.

1. There is no one way to get with women. Sometimes a guy will find a way that gives him mad success and another guy has a different way, and what we have to learn from this is that getting laid for non-creepers is both common and easy. Even laying dozens of women is very common IME. I know so many women who have been with 30 or 40 guys and they are not even in their 30s yet. The basic idea that "most guys don't get laid" is wrong, the truth is closer to most non-creepers just don't try very hard and end up married with 2 kids and are busy changing ****ty diapers and doing the lawn. Creepers spend all their time trying but usually only get scrapes and single moms who are desperate. lol. Every once and a while you'll get a non-creeper who gets laid on the side like a mad man and has 100+ partners, though. Bottom line: You don't want to be the creeper (btw constantly talking about PUA stuff will definitely make you a creeper). lol.

Basically,this is why I find it laughable that the people who are arguing with me are saying their only method is right. The Social Proof thing is only one arsenal in my disposal, I adjust my game to the environment. I remember when I went out with Bilo (SS member) it was our first time sarging, and a bunch of guys were standing there just looking like lames on the dance floor, and mind you these guys weren't ugly or nothing (no homo) Bilo asked me why they were just standing there and I was the only one approaching , so I opened up a guy on the reverse psychology tip, you know what he said? "I just wait until they make eye contact then I approach", needless to say that guy was waiting all night, while I'm palming/smacking three girls ass's at the same time and these lames are warming their drink.

2. Social Proof. IME this does happen. In my case it seems madly accelerated by interracial social proof. When I've been in club with hot black chicks very hot women have approached me and told me how lame their dates were or tried to pull me onto the dance floor against my will. I don't know if this is a local thing or not but it happens on such a level that there is no denying it. Along the same lines creating jealousy and competition definitely is something I've seen work too both in the US and SA, it's even more potent in SA. One girl is into me and then her friend starts reaching past her to get my attention and competeting for me, In the US it has usually happened between friends actually. IN SA I'd often be talking to one chick and then I'd bait a different chicka into talking to me and trying to get my attention which would set the plotline for the original chic to "steal me away" from the chick who was never really a threat in the first place. However they'd be so worried about the other chick that they'd then feel like they won me over and want to go someplace else (yes, more private) usually a quick, late night dinner and off to the bed we go :)

Race honestly doesn't matter to me, I use Social Proof though at times to neutralize people/Target (lol @ people walking around looking aggy, I don't get it). Doing Social Proof has gotton me free drinks, business contacts and so much more then getting laid. When I go in, sometimes I have a Target sometimes I don't. I qualify and take it from there, I'm just planting a "seed' to build rapport and then later on can reopen the seed and water it, I have sarged in places that the average "brother" wouldn't be caught dead in, however this has helped me become better in terms of my game overall.

3. Like some of the others, I don't use social proof or even the things I just discussed in point #2. In fact, I won't even see a woman unless she has a bf or is married and is looking for specifically for sex. I want someone else to put up with the daily humdrums and just come over to get some sex, have some laughs, or go out for a couple of drinks and bag the chic then send her home. It doesn't mean I don't care about them, because I truly do, it's just I am not at a place in my life where I can be a bf to someone or spend an inordinate amount of time on someone's daily activities. I don't knock other people who want to try other avenues, they just aren't for me, I'm typically banging 2-3 chicks at any one time and see no need to go looking for more when I find plenty without even really trying.

Once again just speaking for myself, I only use Social Proof depending on the environment. In Certain spots (loud clubs/crowded dance floor) I just go direct, If it's a chill bar and I'm rolling solo, I might do social proof, women don't roll solo at the places I go too(especially college bars), most of them are college girls and usually roll 3 deep or more.

4. You need to be somewhat desirable and somewhat true to self. Even the best bag of tricks is a poor substitute for actually being somewhat desirable. Do you really want to always be trying to patch some broken relationship with more tricks? In my case the answer is no. It's much better to fix any issues in your life that are keeping you from having any natural desirability to others (in almost all cases this will also make one happier with himself anyway) than to try forcing someone who isn't even remotely interested to like you by what cool things you can say or who you're friends with... that adds temporary appeal (if you're good at it and most I've seen try were terrible) but if you're ugly as sin and boring, it's only going to buy you so much time before you come back the same ol problem of the chick isn't actually attracted to you sexually, and that's a problem. Also being phoney is a hard act to keep up. I remember once this guy started seeing my girls friend. He was the common community guy, i mean exact DYD lines and all. I never said anything because I believed he was a nice guy that was just trying to get his too you know, and it worked for a little while. But eventually his personal problems crept out of the closet and he exhausted his supply of things to keep her distracted and she dumped him for one of his buddies. It wasn't even that he was out of his league, they were a good match, but he tried to pretend to be someone else and then when the real him came out they were like night and day different and it made her think there must be something strange going on with him so she bolted.
I don't use a routine or lines, anybody who has sarged with me can vouch for this(I've sarged with several guys of here). One of the things about my game is I can switch up, I can go indirect then direct, right now I'm working on opening sets with just body language (A director once was telling Al Pachino how he wanted him to do 2 pages of a scene to convey his character, Al replied back by saying "I don't need to say this, if I stand like this it will tell more then these two pages!!) To me advanced Gaming is when women pick up on your vibe and approach you. I get bored now a days with approaching its to easy, The more I log on here the more I realize that experience in the field encompass anything a "Guru" or "teacher" says, I guess because I'm such a perfectionist I always seek ways to perfect my craft.

In the end I agree with some things you said (if you read it) and some I don't
If a style works for you good for you. However certain Styles work better for me in certain places, maybe certain once work for you in others but this is what makes us all unique to some capacity

It's Friday, happy Sarging!
 

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Snow Plowman said:
THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...thinking in terms of TACTICS, I'm not agreeing to this stuff as some form of TACTIC. It's more of a lifestyle. Of course if your an awesome guy your set, but if you were learning all this wouldn't you have it ENHANCE your life beyond just a lay?

I'm ONLY talking about having a social circle for the sake of LIFESTYLE...
If you were interested in skateboarding wouldn't you want to meet some COOL skateboarder friends? Go to skateboard events, go to skateboard meetups, get connected to potential sponsors, photographers, etc. An you have NO PROBLEM meeting women so that's not even a thought, but at the sametime you have FEMALE FRIENDS who introduce you to more chicks and all your GUY Friends also have access to meeting women...Some days your kicking it at a friends house guys and girls just hanging, other times your probably rolling to check out a new skateboard.

OR

If you were interested in skateboarding you can stay in the backyard practicing and maybe you have some friends here and there that you grew up with. MAYBE they are into skateboard and maybe NOT...You do the same mundane things of work/school/home. An maybe you call the boys over to play videogames or hit up the club to get some drinks. By random chance you guys will probably find a GF but it's not guaranteed.

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Bottomline I LIVE FOR LIFE EXPERIENCES and one of my female friends wants to go to CHINA with me in the future. That's going to be INSANE because we both are food crazy, she's COOL, she's down for adventure and exploration...So the trip would be a non-stop BLAST.

P.S...If you spend all this time learning this WHY NOT enhance your overall life. I have a wing who got himself a girlie who flew him to Florida just because she was rich, he had no clue that would happen and MOST don't because they focus so much on putting on this "PU Persona" that they never actually improve there lives they are just a guy who can get laid now.

C/S!!

I have met some cool ass people myself, partied it up with some models/athletes. I never got laid using them or whatever, if I ever got laid its off the strength of me and nobody else, Imagine living like the guys of "Entourage", and having a rock star lifestyle, what's wrong with that?
 
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