"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

"I'm seeing other guys, just wanted to be honest"

Solomon

Master Don Juan
Joined
Sep 28, 2008
Messages
6,559
Reaction score
4,122
Location
Inside her mind
This is a spinoff thread from the DonS Lay Report

If a chick told you she was "spinning other plates" on the first date, would you be cool with this or no?

In the Past I would have been like hell no, however these days it's a case by case basis.

Thoughts?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

Read more...

The Bat

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
1,017
Reaction score
60
I think a main question should be why would it be a case by case basis? Are there examples where it would be ok, on the first date, and are there examples where it would not be ok, on the first date?

Barring extreme examples such as the one that DonS had to unfortunately experience (or maybe fortunate because he did lay the broad next week haha), I think it would be pretty difficult to differentiate between when it would be ok and when it wouldn't be ok.
 

Nutz

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 22, 2008
Messages
1,583
Reaction score
72
I guess it depends on how she frames it. Nobody wants to hear "I'm ****ing 4 other guys, so hope you don't mind". But "I'm not looking for anything serious right now." is perfectly acceptable. With the latter it's assumed she'd got **** on call and has a rather ample supply of guys stroking it out with her.



<Soapbox>
And what's with the censored words? This site is for men, not thin skinned girly overzealous politically correct conservatives. We should be able to converse freely and openly.
</Soapbox>
 

Hooligan Harry

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Jun 6, 2008
Messages
498
Reaction score
45
No woman is going to admit that if she has high interest. Assume that she has a few men chasing after her and she is probably banging one or two of them. Its almost a given if she is easy on the eyes. If she does like you though she is not going to risk the chance of you walking which means she will be discreet about the fact that she is/was dating other men.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

Mr. Me

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
84
Depending on why she says it but yeah I'd be okay with it. I'd expect she's not living the life of a hermit.

Is she saying it to make you jealous? Is she saying it to showboat how popular she thinks she is? Is she running her mouth about these other guys? Or is she saying it matter of factly to state her position? The first three would be strikes against her in my book, but the last one would be cool with me.

I think any guy who'd freak about a new woman stating she dates other men, expecting some gal he barely knows and just started dating to free herself of all other romantic interests and commit herself to just seeing him would be a rather issue riddled guy. I remember one guy on another site saying just that, that he expected a woman to clear the field to date him, to "give it the best chance of working out". This is the "I only date one man/woman at a time" mentality. I see it as controlling. IOW, the person is really saying "I have a fear that I don't have the right stuff to get a woman romantically involved with me, so I feel I need all the help I can get, which means getting rid of the competition and having her agree to be exclusively involved with me from the onset."
 

azanon

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 8, 2006
Messages
2,291
Reaction score
41
Solomon said:
"I'm seeing other guys, just wanted to be honest"

This is a spinoff thread from the DonS Lay Report

If a chick told you she was "spinning other plates" on the first date, would you be cool with this or no?

In the Past I would have been like hell no, however these days it's a case by case basis.

Thoughts?
Would I be cool if she says she's not exclusive with me already before I've even finished "a first date"??? If i were single, I'd also be seeing several other chicks myself. TBH, I can't even imagine why you'd have issues with such an obvious s*** test. In short, if it gets you all worked up, you failed it.

I didn't ask for exclusiveness for my (now) wife until after we had been dating a good 3 months or so, or thereabouts. Prior to that, I honestly could have not cared less.
 

Nelford

Don Juan
Joined
Nov 22, 2006
Messages
141
Reaction score
4
Location
Choclate City Washington DC
I wouldn't care because I would be doing the same thing. I always think girls are seeing other dudes anyway plus whats the other dude have to do with me. She is chilling with me at the moment.
 

squirrels

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 15, 2003
Messages
6,620
Reaction score
186
Age
47
Location
A universe...where heartbreak and sadness have bee
None of my business, as long as she's being "safe".

I've had women tell me this before, though, as an attempt to make me jealous and get me to commit.

If there's no ring on her finger, assume it could happen at any time.
 

vitor

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Jun 16, 2007
Messages
338
Reaction score
3
Location
Baltimore
I dunno I would not be cool with it. I would rather not know. I guess my idea is that it is ok for me to do this but if you do it is not. Why she told you this if off. My question is with 1 in 3 people having an STD and she is dating 3-4 other guys which one is giving her herpes who is going to eventully give it to you?

My 2nd guess is she thinks she is better than you and wants you to know that she has options and you better bring the A Game if you want to hit..
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

Read more...

jophil28

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 18, 2006
Messages
5,216
Reaction score
278
Location
Gold Coast. Aust.
Hooligan Harry said:
No woman is going to admit that if she has high interest.
True, but only half the whole story...a sane woman who has moderate to high interest in you will be on her best behavior and therefore would not say something like this , EXCEPT if she is somewhere along the attention wh0re/BPD /HPD spectrum.
IF she is a member of that special group of delightful creatures, then saying that she is "seeing" other guys makes perfect sense. THis is YOUR introduction to her pathological need to mindfvck you at every opportunity,starting on your first date.
She is trying to set up a situation in which she expects you to COMPETE for her affections. SHe has placed herself up on a pedestal and will readily play one man off against the others,much to her daily entertainment. She will lie to you and cheat on you with her other male "friends" and get you to jump though hoops after she has tied you up in knots with her BS.

If the OP is asking because he had a recent experience on a first date, then, proceed at your own peril ...Take it from one who has played that game with a Cluster B wacko and lost.
 

russell

Don Juan
Joined
Nov 5, 2008
Messages
76
Reaction score
3
Hooligan Harry said:
No woman is going to admit that if she has high interest. Assume that she has a few men chasing after her and she is probably banging one or two of them. Its almost a given if she is easy on the eyes. If she does like you though she is not going to risk the chance of you walking which means she will be discreet about the fact that she is/was dating other men.
not entirely true, but he has a good point.
 

speed dawg

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 9, 2006
Messages
4,735
Reaction score
1,223
Location
The Dirty South
I don't know why anyone, male or female, even approaches this topic when on a date. That's the last thing I talk about. I am a very private person though.
 

Colossus

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 22, 2005
Messages
3,494
Reaction score
543
speed dawg said:
I don't know why anyone, male or female, even approaches this topic when on a date. That's the last thing I talk about. I am a very private person though.
Agreed. It's kind of assumed.

If she outright told me I would next.

If she outright asked me I would next.
 

Heretolearn

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 25, 2005
Messages
575
Reaction score
7
someone mentioned as long as she is safe?

How do you know? Would you bring it up and if so how/when?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

Read more...

fertileTurtle

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
578
Reaction score
10
Location
South Carolina, USA
Who gives a fuk. Why is this even being discussed?
 

decades

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 3, 2004
Messages
1,223
Reaction score
35
Location
sf ca
she is telling you that she's "easy". now you have to adjust. she's not a good girl and you have to act accordingly. go in for the close quickly and if it's not there, move on immediately and don't mess with the AW.
 

Mr. Me

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
84
I remember once some chick long ago telling me about the date activities other guys treat her to, you know, the "style to which she's been accustomed to" speech. I got the sense she was a golddigger and giving me examples of what kind of treatment she was expecting.

What exactly is this chick telling you? "I'm seeing other guys, just wanted to be honest". That probably means, she's not that into you and therefore setting up why she won't be available to see you again or isn't available for a LTR. Maybe you gave off some hungry vibes?
 

decades

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 3, 2004
Messages
1,223
Reaction score
35
Location
sf ca
Mr. Me said:
What exactly is this chick telling you? "I'm seeing other guys, just wanted to be honest". That probably means, she's not that into you and therefore setting up why she won't be available to see you again or isn't available for a LTR. Maybe you gave off some hungry vibes?
probably but a quality person would not tell you this. a quality person would finish her drink finish her coffee finish her rice pudding and say thanks and then move on and ljbf you like normal chicks do. the message is not in what she is saying, it's THAT she is saying it.
 

Mr. Me

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
84
Yeah, I hear ya. In this case, she happened to utter it. Maybe she didn't neccesarily want to LJBF him at this point but felt she had to "issue a warning statement" of some kind to the OP? There's probably more to this story then we know, that's my hunch.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

Read more...

Top