"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm listening to The Rational Male and I'm getting annoyed...

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After all the buzz around it I got the audible version, I'm on section 10 out 27...so far it's just full of fluff, WTF?! I feel like I'm wasting my time at this point. Way too much 'theory' and the whats and whys but literally no hows. It's like that guy at work who points out what all is broken but rarely has anything to offer to fix those things when asked directly. In fact, he even reads one of his reader's comment where the guy asks 'how can I unlearn how I get emotionally attached to every woman I'm with' since that was the topic of this particular chapter and his answer was basically 'I wish I knew the answer' LOL seriously? I think I've learned far more practical stuff from this board and from AMS and Corey Wayne than this guy. At least this is what my conclusion is so far, all theory...no practical advice and holy sh!t so repetitive I want to pull the earbuds out at times.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Yeah the repetitiveness, in different words, is killing me...after 2+hrs of listening to it all that could've been condensed into 15mins tops and I'm only about half way through the material. Losing interest fast.

Perhaps there's another book that caters to those of us who already know/understand the basics but want more practical advice on stuff we encounter on a day to day basis?
 
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To be fair, I find all pickup material to be maddeningly repetitious, and they usually take 11 pages to say what they could have said in one sentence or paragraph.
 
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Rollo sells his material. So there's a bias inherent in that. He used to post around here some and I thought his feedback in some of threads was much more practical advice than the theory. I agree with @zekko that the PUA material is much more material than necessary to make the point. And yes, I do see the irony in me making that statement, lol.

I think Jordan Peterson is FAR more informative. There is also a red pill blogger by the last name of Ironwood. I quite like his material. It's real world and pragmatic.
 
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