"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm in... so far. tricky situation - thoughts?

Deadly_Ripped

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Hey guys,

Met HB8 through my roommate. He was into her, but she wasn't into him (I could tell within 5 min of meeting them that this was the case and he'd never get it).

I kept the snake in the pants until he conceeded that it probably wasn't going to happen (about 2 months) and only saw this girl once between the first meeting and his concession. He kept me away from her and he even refused to invite me to her lake house during this time.

I went over to her place (lives with 3 guys and is single) for a party. I made a big splash at the party and really enjoyed myself. After some witty banter I sleep in her bed (no sex by both of our agreements, but let's just say that the night went very well for both of us).

Next morning we play it cool, that afternoon act like we barely know each other at a party at my place since the roommate is there.

She said a few things that bother me. Once was, once we went to bed, she kept talking about how she was going to get a reputation as a slut in her circle of friends. The next was that the next morning she said that we shouldn't do anything because it would ruin it, which confused me twice as much because I WASN'T EVEN TRYING ANYTHING. She threw it out there like she knew that I'd try something.

She was extremely complementary about my body and my skillz, to the point of annoyance. At the same time she kept telling me how much of a nerd she thought I was before this night and especially before we 'went to sleep.' She made a point to say how much fun the previous night was before we left her room.

Now she calls me last night (3 days later, and I hadn't contacted her at all). I missed it, and called her back today. She tells me that she was extremely drunk when she called, and apologized for calling me at all. Then she tells me that we've got to play scrabble (she and I went back and forth about our scrabble skills prior to all of this) some time.

I suggest this weekend, she tells me Sunday works. This game of scrabble will be played by me, her, and one of her male roommates (maybe 2). Here's where the peanut gallery comes in:

This is tricky because I have been in this situation where I hook up once, fall for the girl, and she holds it over my head and teases me for months. She is in a circle of friends that I just got introduced to, and I really want to chill with these people. I think that I'd rather crash and burn that be placed reluctantly into the friend zone. I DO NOT WANT TO END UP IN THE FRIEND ZONE, so here's what I'm thinking:

Cancel on this weekend, because it's ****ing scrabble and **** that ****.... I don't want to play scrabble, I want to play her tonsils. The thing is that I really do want to play scrabble though, but I extra moreso don't want to start doing platonic stuff with her. She and her male roommates do **** like that.... that's not how I want to be perceived.

Maybe I could switch the time and invite her out? I think it's too soon for that though. She knows how good looking she is, and is clearly not hell bent on finding a man to tie down, so she might not be welcome to a 1 on 1 thing just yet.

Thoughts? Comments? Much obliged if you actually read this far.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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horaholic

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just because you are going over there to play scrabble, doenst mean you have to. PU gurus always say not to worry about what they THINK you will be doing. Show up at her house for your scrabble game, then say, "I got a better idea, how about me and you go do such and such..." Either that, or have an isolation plan for when the game is done. After the game, go to a movie or something.

OR...have a bet on the game. Winner gets a backrub, or something. (between you two only, obviously)

Thats not really a tricky situation to me. You wont be friendzoned unless you act like an AFC
 

The Bad Ass Canadian

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All the crap she was spewing is just her way of trying to keep you from thinking less of her for getting physical so early.

If you dig her, and by the sounds of it she obviously is into you, then just go with it and have fun.

She wants to see you again, so consider yourself in.... for now.

Just keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the ride for as long as it goes.
 

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I tend to act two different ways around women: there are women I **** and women I don't. Around the women I don't, I'm very cereberal and argumentative and goofy. Around women I ****, I'm light spirited, witty, and mysterious.

To put it short, I'm not sure I can play scrabble with someone without getting all nerdy on her.
 

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You know, you do yourself a disservice by purposely not acting like a DJ in front of chicks you don't want to bang.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Deadly_Ripped

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It's quite the other way around. It's not that I intentionally don't act like a DJ, it's that I have to intentionally act like a DJ in front of particular women. I control the situation more, I am not as loud or obnoxious, I don't argue as much, and I definitely don't say the kinds of really stupid goofy **** that normally spews from my mouth. I'm a fairly annoying person (or so I've been told by several people).

It didn't come naturally, which is why I'm on this site in the first place. I act differently around my friends than I do with women I'm in a relatinoship with, and I act much differently at work.

BTW opinions on facebooking this girl? It would show social proof due to my friends and pictures of me having a great time, but I think of facebook more as something for people I know really well.
 
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