"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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And I couldn't be happier.

Test read 2-3 weeks pregnant.

I always thought I would be stressed and anxious (I get anxious the day before a business meeting) but I'm the most excited and happy I've ever been in my life.

I have only told my best friend who has 2 kids (my godchildren), I've spent so much time with them, they've given me so much joy and peace... I get to have that all for myself! I have no inclination to tell anyone else yet, except you faceless people who have put up with my ramblings for the past 7 years.

I just want to share it with you guys, yes still early days, good woman, good family, I'm stable. It feels like fate. I'd recently been dreaming about having a kid so I feel the Most High YHWH has blessed me.

Any advice from the fathers here?
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Happy for you, Murk! You’d be one of the last posters I could imagine being a father :D
You’d make a great one for sure!
This past 2 years I’ve felt the man bursting out of me. I’ve never been as much as a man than I am now. Father and leader are literally bleeding out of me bro, seeping out of my pores haha. I have banked 2 years high salary, pipeline of good business for the rest of the year, own house, own business, no debt, in the best shape of my life, free of all addictions. I’m so ready for this. I honestly didn’t have a reason for living if I don’t have kids. I want at least 4-5. My parents would surely be proud but I’m too old to not have a purpose. Money means nothing if I don’t have someone to use it for.
 

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Welcome to the Cult!

It is simultaneously the most impressive and bewildering thing any man can do (not conceive but help raise them). I loved repeatedly reliving the wonderment of first discoveries and appreciating the natural world's magic with both my babies.

They're now in their 20s, and I'm still in awe of them and the wonderful people they've grown up to be. You'll be amazed by your capacity to love another human when you meet your newborn for the first time.

I thought I knew the meaning of love before having children, but I was wrong - it's unfathomable for those who've not fathered their children.
 

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Welcome to the Cult!

It is simultaneously the most impressive and bewildering thing any man can do (not conceive but help raise them). I loved repeatedly reliving the wonderment of first discoveries and appreciating the natural world's magic with both my babies.

They're now in their 20s, and I'm still in awe of them and the wonderful people they've grown up to be. You'll be amazed by your capacity to love another human when you meet your newborn for the first time.

I thought I knew the meaning of love before having children, but I was wrong - it's unfathomable for those who've not fathered their children.

If you met the woman of your dreams….who would you love more? Her or The kids?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If you met the woman of your dreams….who would you love more? Her or The kids?
Kids, hands down. The reason is your love for your kids is unconditional; your love for your woman is conditional. You will always love your kids no matter what; that is not true with a woman.
 

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I thought I knew the meaning of love before having children, but I was wrong - it's unfathomable for those who've not fathered their children.
This is what excites me the most! Especially since losing my parents and being an only child. I will pour myself into my kids.
 

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Kids, hands down. The reason is your love for your kids is unconditional; your love for your woman is conditional. You will always love your kids no matter what; that is not true with a woman.
I'm having a hard time understanding how both statements unconditional love and actions have consequences can work at the same time.
So if the woman cheats or behaves in some other ways that are unacceptable, there are of course consequences, but if the girl becomes a hoe or a nose ring wearing, blue haired crazy feminist and the boy an alcoholic/drug addict there are no consequences because the love for them is unconditional? How does that work?
 

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I'm having a hard time understanding how both statements unconditional love and actions have consequences can work at the same time.
So if the woman cheats or behaves in some other ways that are unacceptable, there are of course consequences, but if the girl becomes a hoe or a nose ring wearing, blue haired crazy feminist and the boy an alcoholic/drug addict there are no consequences because the love for them is unconditional? How does that work?
Do you have children?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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No.
That's one thing I'm wondering ... what I would do in such situations. Although I believe that if I had children, those scenarios are very unlikely to happen because they are mostly due to bad parenting, one never knows what can happen.
 

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The way I see it: if my child became something I did not approve of I’d be upset, but I wouldn’t stop loving him/her.

If my woman became something I didn’t like I’d leave her and find a new partner. Blood is thicker than water.
 

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Congrats Murk. It is great.
 

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I'm having a hard time understanding how both statements unconditional love and actions have consequences can work at the same time.
So if the woman cheats or behaves in some other ways that are unacceptable, there are of course consequences, but if the girl becomes a hoe or a nose ring wearing, blue haired crazy feminist and the boy an alcoholic/drug addict there are no consequences because the love for them is unconditional? How does that work?
Unconditional love supersedes a persons actions, that’s what unconditional means, there are no conditions to that love. Reserved for kids only imo.
 

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And I couldn't be happier.

Test read 2-3 weeks pregnant.

I always thought I would be stressed and anxious (I get anxious the day before a business meeting) but I'm the most excited and happy I've ever been in my life.

I have only told my best friend who has 2 kids (my godchildren), I've spent so much time with them, they've given me so much joy and peace... I get to have that all for myself! I have no inclination to tell anyone else yet, except you faceless people who have put up with my ramblings for the past 7 years.

I just want to share it with you guys, yes still early days, good woman, good family, I'm stable. It feels like fate. I'd recently been dreaming about having a kid so I feel the Most High YHWH has blessed me.

Any advice from the fathers here?
Congrats, Murk!!! Though I'm not a father, I urge you to re-read as many of the books on recommended reading list here at SS, before your child comes along, ESPECIALLY if it ends up being a boy. Impart to your son all the things we learned much later in life, thanks to either not having solid fathers around, or the dude who was around being a schlep
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Congrats, Murk!!! Though I'm not a father, I urge you to re-read as many of the books on recommended reading list here at SS, before your child comes along, ESPECIALLY if it ends up being a boy. Impart to your son all the things we learned much later in life, thanks to either not having solid fathers around, or the dude who was around being a schlep
For a boy I'm set, I know what it takes to be a man.

For a girl I'm a little more lost, I booked marked this book; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Dad-She...7382b93afe48983903be2&th=1&psc=1&gad_source=1

Rich Cooper recommended it years ago and I figured if I ever have a girl I'll give it a read.
 

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If you work from the heart and not the ego, you will be fine.
In my opinion, your duty is to help prepare your children for a life independent from their parents. If you keep that at the forefront of your mind, you'll be able to make decisions concerning their well-being with integrity.
100%!

I lost both parents young and everyone around me was very surprised how well I handled it. They thought I would crumble or go off the rails (I did to some extent). My parents didn’t even know at the time but they raised a very resilient young man. I’ve felt lost at times, we all have, but I made it through.

Many have been through hell, 10 times worse than what I have, I’ve experienced abuse of all kinds as a child. The human mind is an incredible thing, very resilient. It can be a gift and a curse, you need to be on the right side. From your many posts I know you know what I mean.
 

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Hi Murk,
Congratulations,please keep us informed on developments.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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