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I'm clinically depressed and I don't give a fvck.

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[S]alvatore said:
Yes, I am shaming him. We exchanged a few PM's, and he refuses to help himself, hence why I called him out.

The only reason I did this, is because I have been dealing with depression myself for the last few years (Probably had it mildy since childhood). If I didn't know first hand what depression was like, I wouldn't have said anything. People that say to "man up" without having been through depression have no comprehension of the illness. I agree with you, it's an overused term. I know exactly what he's going through, and I was in the same situation as him.

- Financially up the sh1t, no money at all
- Health problems (Much worse than his)
- No hope or plans for the future

I had neglected everything, just like Warrior:

- I was probably eating 500 calories per day, and when I actually did eat, it was junk food
- Not exercising
- Getting fvck all sunlight. Vitamin D levels were almost non-existent
- Some days I would sleep for 10+ hours, other days as little as 1-2. Eventually it got to the point where i hadn't slept for 4 days straight, this is when I got help.

When I fixed those 3 things and started taking medication, things improved 100%. I have been off meds for about a month now, and I still feel good.

It is possible to get out of the hole, but only if you help yourself. Don't expect anything to change by itself, it's all on you. And you know what? Depression has actually made me a better person. No longer do I worry about trivial bullsh1t, material posessions, or trying to impress other people.
Ok fair enough. I have been through it too. A massive hole that lasted 24 years, the last three years being the worst.
From my experience - tough love, calling someone out, whatever you want to call it - doesn't work. Well it didn't for me.
 

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Regarding depression, I'm probably about the most even-keeled person I know. I have a very even temperament, and I usually stay fairly content and positive. That said, even I will get depressed sometimes. Not clinically depressed or to the point where I consider eating a bullet. But just feeling down about things.

I think this is a natural part of your body rhythms. I don't think you can maintain feeling good all the time, at some point your mind and body has to drop you down a bit, if only to give it something to rebound from. Like you can't define the good times if you don't have some bad times. Or you wouldn't know what light is if there was no shade, or you can't define good without having some bad, that sort of thing.

So when I feel down I just sort of go with it until I come out of it. The old saying "Things will look different tomorrow" is often true.
 

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Warrior,

A couple of things I've learned in life. Personally, I'm happiest when I am in action. I truly believe the spirit of a man is action. It's in our soul, from mountain climbing, surfing, hunting, pounding weights in the gym, building things, fixing equipment, the list goes on. The problem these days is most careers are sedentary. On the computer, at a desk, in an office. Collectively we don't challenge our nature, as men anymore. You have to seek that out....it's not going to be something that's a normal part of life. You have to go get it.

Second is diet. I say screw all the meds big pharma is pushing. Exercise and diet. I've been on this "primal diet". If it's not an animal or plant, I'm not eating it. Steak and eggs. It's good for the testosterone levels.

I think you are thinking too much.
 

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Zunder said:
You sound like one of those bytches that uses 'shaming tactics' against men. But I gather your gender is male.

"It's time to act like a man" -- jeezuz if I hear that crapiola one more time I might just crack the head of the plonker that says it.
But the thing is, he's right.

Men aren't born, men are made. Warrior is going through the fire right now. We are seeing him go through the fire. going through the fire sucks. But only he can go through the fire himself. I can't tell him anything that can get him through the fire. Either he figures out a way to deal with his problems in a positive manner or he doesn't, but that's on him.


That is, what the essense, of being an alpha male is. You learn coping mechanism. You learn how to persevere when you don't want to. When you've been beat down you learn how to keep going forward believing in yourself. That's what a man is.


Warrior is not depressed, warrior is STRESSEd. there is a big difference. Warrior has to learn how to deal with the stresses of being an entrepreneur who fails, having a daughter and being single all at the same time and still figure out a way to put on a show and go forward.

IT is only when he does that, once he learns how to get rid of the negative cloud that surrounds him and fight through it that he will be successful and get the things he wants.


it sounds like a bunch of poppycock but i've been there.

I remember when I was starting my business and i would just cry every once in a while. i was fat, broke, overworked and lonely. then to make it worse people would say **** that was not fiesable to me.. oh go to the gym that' swhat i do.. with what money? all my money is tied into marketing lol. oh i feel great when i eat better.. i am living on a 50 dollar a week food budget lol eat better my ass lol this is what i got. oh go take a vacation. even if i took a vacation, which i could not, all i would do is make my problems worse by prolonging them.

no running away, eating whole foods and going out is not going to help you warrior. there is somehting pinpoint that is stressing you out that is dragging you down. you have to figure out what it is and cope with it to the extent where you can press forward. That's what you have to do.
 

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You are lonely that is all your problem, you don't need women , you need a a wife not just a woman for sex and fun , you need a family , you need people to share your life with .
 

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Dear Mr Positive,
Yes I agree with you on your Diet,been folloewing it for many,many years....I do hope though that you marinate your beef in beer or wine before cooking,it is not a big deal,takes two minutes and then doing something else for twenty minutes...This will reduce the Cancer causing compounds created when you cook the meat...In my experience,friends who are big time meat eaters,particularly Barbeque eaters get Colon Cancer
 

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I hope you pull through this. I always equate strength and a no Bs approach to your name. So when someone like you who doesn't seem to ever whine about anything, it seems more serious. In my life I've seen the strongest men I've known break down over various things....its humbling because I tended to attach super human attributes to these guys. Point is, were all human and even the strongest of us will go through the worst.

I'm currently going through a down cycle. Dropped down in weight a ton, have no passion for work or hobbies, girl trouble, roomate breaking lease, have zero appetite or drive. The only thing driving me forward is the WANT to get back just to normal again. I want to crave a food again, crave to be in the company of a good woman, be excited to go into work and put in a good days work, to engage in conversations, to hit a workout goal, save money. I don't have any of that now. Also I caught a virus so I'm not sure what part of all of.this I can attribute to being sick and what part is due to my circumstances. If your depression is actually an illness then maybe drugs can help you determine the same thing.

I hope you get a passion back for something to keep driving you forward. Good luck.
 

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i would also advise you to (assuming you don't have insurance) to scrape together 300 bucks and go see a psychiatrist, and let them put you on something.

I take zoloft and from time to time trazadone, i also have a bottle of xanax around here somewhere that i neve ruse because of my drug history but in extreme cases i'll pop one to calm down.


people who say **** like, "big pharma is ruining people and all you need to do to feel better is eat clean / stop looking at porn/ whatever" have never experienced true crippling depression / anxiety to where it's debilitating.


you need help, go get it.
 

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Scaramouche said:
Dear Mr Positive,
Yes I agree with you on your Diet,been folloewing it for many,many years....I do hope though that you marinate your beef in beer or wine before cooking,it is not a big deal,takes two minutes and then doing something else for twenty minutes...This will reduce the Cancer causing compounds created when you cook the meat...In my experience,friends who are big time meat eaters,particularly Barbeque eaters get Colon Cancer
Thanks Scaramouche. I'll do some research on your advise.

Warrior,

I haven't been posting much on this forum over the past couple of years. But I will say I do visit and lurk, and personally I've learned a lot from your posts, and many others...and I can honestly say, life just keeps getting better and better. There is too many good folks here, sharing information, to list.

I'm in an exact opposite situation/mindset than what you are going through right now. People actually call me 'positive', it's one of my many nicknames, and I get asked a lot, "why are you always happy?"

It's not that my life is great, it's just that I enjoy it. By societies standards, if you were to compare me to other guys, I should probably be miserable.

So, why am I making this post?

What I've learned, and what works for me, is to live for right now. This exact second. It's easy to start thinking to much, and start telling ourselves that "happiness is right around the corner." If I could get that car I want, I'll be happy. If I could pay of that debt I owe, I will be happy...if I bang this girl I like, I'll be happy....and on and on it goes. Next thing you know, life passes by and you realize you are missing it, completely.

Take surfing for example. When you paddle out, all your focus is on what you are doing. Trying to get out past the breaking waves. Then, when out there, all your focus is on trying to catch that perfect wave. Nothing else, in life, exists when you are surfing. Your mind is completely clear, there is no clutter, at all. When your surf session is over, even if it was only an hour or so, you honestly feel like you've taken the most relaxing vacation you could have had. Because your mind is clear. You've "rebooted" your mind.

Surfing is good for the soul, as they say.

As men, we think too much. When we get out of our comfort zones and take action, we are the happiness.

Warrior, find the balance in your life. Balance goals with all the wonderful things to see and do in life. Live for the moment, and most importantly realize that YOU are in control of how you view life.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
What I've learned, and what works for me, is to live for right now. This exact second.
Sounds like Buddhism. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just making an observation. It also sounds like Eckhart Tolle, which RSD pushes heavily - which is basically repackaged Buddhism.

Speaking of Buddhism, I really like the book Siddhartha by Herman Hesse.
 

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I sincerely believe that nobody wants to off themselves....They simply want the pain to stop....and when it doesn't, this mental strain becomes a huge weight to drag around, day after day. You basically start to lose your passions in life. Things that were pleasantly distracting before (hobbies) suddenly seem pointless. When you are in this room of despair, you want SOMETHING to change how you feel (meds, therepy, etc...).

To quote an Ian Fleming novel...."There's no top limit to disaster-that, so long as breath remains in your body, you've got to accept the miseries of life. They will often seem infinate, insupportable. They are part of the human condition. "


There's no generic simple answer. if there was, it would have been bottled and sold by now, and someone would be very rich.

I have experienced some tremendous emotional pain over the course of my life. Hell, perhaps I even have a genetic disposition for melancholy.....But there was always SOMETHING that pulled me through those tough times, and they became just memories. At the time however, I didn't know that there was something waiting around the corner to make me happier. But there was.

You do have reserves of strength in you. I won't give you any feel good, hippy advice. Just use your reserves to chug along until you round the next corner of life.
 

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I'm on an email list from an author, Dr. Rick Hanson, who wrote a book called Buddha's Brain. He's worth looking into. Anyway, his email list is called "Just one thing".

Our minds and how we perceive things can change. With depression everything looses it's joy, even the things that used to bring us happiness. Everything is a burden.

This one is called "Step into the Cloud":

Juggling bricks?

The Practice
Step into the cloud.

Why?

I had a lightbulb moment recently: I was feeling stressed about all the stuff I
had to do (you probably know the feeling). After this went on for a while, I stepped
back and kind of watched my mind, and could see that I was thinking of these various
tasks as things, like big rocks that were rolling down a hill toward me and which
needed to be handled, lifted, moved, fended off, or broken into pebbles. As soon
as I dealt with one thing-y boulder, another one was rolling toward me. Shades
of Sisyphus.

Seen as brick-like entities, no wonder these tasks felt heavy, oppressive, burdensome.
Yuch!

But then I realized that in fact the tasks I needed to do were more like clouds
than things. Clouds are made up of lots of vaporous little bits, those bits come
together for a time due to many swirling causes, and then they swirl away again.
Meanwhile, the edge or boundary of a cloud blurs into other clouds or the sky itself.
There is a kind of insubstantiality to clouds, and a softness, a yielding.

For example, take writing an email message: It has lots of little parts to it (the
points you need to take into account, and the words and sentences), it is nested
in a larger context - your relationship to the receiver, the needs that prompted
the email - that (in a sense) calls it forth, and it emerges and passes away. This
email, this task, links to other tasks, sort of blurs into them. Fundamentally,
the email is a kind of process, an event, rather than a thing. It's like you could
put your hand through it.

When I considered my tasks in this way, I immediately felt better: relieved, relaxed.
Tasks felt fluid, like streams or eddies I was stepping into and influencing or
contributing to as best I could before they swirled on and became something else.
Not so weighty or full of inertia; not so resistant, so controlling of me; not bearing
down on me, but instead, something I was flowing into. Then I didn't feel weary
dealing with them. They became fun, lighter; there was more freedom in moving through
them.

And it's not just tasks that are clouds. In a way, everything is a cloud. Everything
is made of parts ("compounded"), everything arises due to causes (so nothing has
absolute self-existence - even "I"), and everything passes away eventually. Everything
in your experience and everything "out there" in the universe is a cloud: every
sensation, thought, object, body, job, career, activity, relationship, rock, raindrop,
planet, galaxy, and moment.

This doesn't mean that clouds are meaningless or that they don't have consequences.
In fact, when you relate to the world in this way, you feel more connected to it,
more a part of it, more tender toward it, and more responsible for it. You love
the cloud!

How?

Start by noticing how everything is continually changing: both what's in your inner
world of thoughts and feelings and in your outer world of people, tasks, and physical
stuff. Pay attention to endings and beginnings. And even if something persists,
know that this is only temporary. Your own body is a cloud, continually changing.

Also recognize how everything is made up of parts. For example, our reactions have
parts (e.g., body sensations, emotions, viewpoints, wants), kitchen tables have
parts, relationships have parts (e.g., history, aspects in different situations),
and tasks have parts.

Appreciate how these changing parts arise and pass away due to many causes. Everything
really is an eddy in the river of reality, emerging and changing and ending because
of 10,000 causes upstream.

Try to feel these facts - impermanence, compoundedness, interdependence: the fundamental
cloudiness of everything - intuitively, emotionally, and in your body, not just
conceptualize them with your mind.

Then consider a task or situation that weighs on you in this light. Reflect on its
many parts, on some of the causes that brought it into being, and on its inherent
transience (even if it's a painfully long transience!). Try to see it more as a
cloud than a brick.

Notice how your mind tries to turn clouds into bricks. To help us survive, the brain
continually tries to make fluid processes (hard for lizards, mice, and monkeys to
deal with) appear to be static entities (much more manageable). It does this through
forming labels, categories, and concepts - and through presuming that everything
is a thing-in-itself rather than only passing frothy foam on a transient wave in
our ocean of a universe.

Enjoy the clouds. Relax. Flow into the clouds of your responsibilities, relationships,
and roles. A cloud yourself, flow into them, through them, beyond them.
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zekko said:
Sounds like Buddhism. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just making an observation. It also sounds like Eckhart Tolle, which RSD pushes heavily - which is basically repackaged Buddhism.

Speaking of Buddhism, I really like the book Siddhartha by Herman Hesse.
I had to read that in 10th grade AP English Lit. dat river motif.
 

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Thanks for the reply guys. I took a little break away from the world and while things aren't any better, they aren't any worse. Most of you have good advice for those who are not as far along. Most of it I have tried. Most of it has worked temporarily. It is what it is. It's not something I can "beat", it's just who I am. A man's temperament can be hidden, faked, fought against or embraced but it can't be changed. I'll always be a pessimistic depressive who gets chics by snark and dark triad tactics. That's just who i am. We are who we are. I will probably end it myself one day when it gets to be too much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqihaEPq_lY

But not today.
 

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Warrior74 said:
That's just who i am. We are who we are..
No, that's not who you are. Don't settle and give up on us, by adopting that mentality. Don't get the mindset that you are just a miserable person and trudge through life like it's a burden, a chore, something to endure.

Set your sights higher. Life is this amazing gift, we have all been given, embrace it.

We were not put on this earth to endure, or be miserable. We all start with the same thing, a chance to build, to learn to grow, to experience it all. The good and the bad.

Each day you should wake up, and tell yourself, this is a great day, and I'm am going to move forward.

You know what? Happiness in life is damn attractive. When find 'your' way to be happy, your life just seems to fall together naturally. Happy people find other happy people, and it just reinforces it even more.

I've always thought, the key to a good life, is to allow the good folks into your life, and remove the toxic ones. I've managed to do that. Warrior, be one of those good folks people welcome into their lives. In turn, welcome them back.
 
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