"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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seth03

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ok, so i posted here 2 weeks ago about how i went on 2 dates with a girl and hadn't kissed her yet, and how on the 3rd date, I went up and tried to kiss her at the end of the night, and she blatantly refused, and yelled out "awkward!", etc. etc. But this was all done to a girl who intitally went up and introduced herself to me, took the initiative to ask me out on a date, etc.

Anyways, its been 2 weeks now, and I haven't seen or talked to the girl whatsoever. But her friend got a hold of me today, and told me that the girl wants to hang out with me, and wants me to call her. How do you guys think I should take control of this situation? I am obviously going to call her some day, some time...and I don't even care how long I have to wait. Do you think I should just ignore what she said and wait for the girl to call me? Should I expect her to kiss me now if we go on another date? How do you guys take control of a situation that was once hopeless, and now in the palm of your hands?

-seth
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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milkman

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Originally posted by seth03
Do you think I should just ignore what she said and wait for the girl to call me?
She will never call you. Most girls would never call. They are girls, you are the man.

Originally posted by seth03
Should I expect her to kiss me now if we go on another date?
She will never initiate a first kiss. Most girls would never initiate a first kiss. They are girls, you are the man.



Call her, hang out with her, try to kiss her again. If she refuses, make no deal out of it, just act if nothing would have happened. Talk to her a bit, then try to kiss her again.... same again... same again.... until she kisses you back. Then slowly escalate. Problem solved.;)
 

librito

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take your time and work on your game.
if you go on another date with her the same thing is going to happen.
you know that she likes you. you can wait all you want. practice with other girls even if they dont look as good as you want them to. then, when you come back to this girl with experience and a little more game she wont even recognise you and will go crazy for you.
practice with other girls and she will love you for that.
 

BrotherAP

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Call her, and make her want to come out with you by being funny and not caring if she says no.

Why do guys always get pissed when a girl turns them down for a date? That's textbook "creepy" - seriously. Why do you care SO much if she doesn't want to come out. You're supposed to be not needy, etc.

So call her, and sound like you have the best offer in the world for her. Say "Hey, I just discovered this burger joint called Whatever's, and it's sooo good and I had a lot of fun there. I want to go again on Thursday. I know you like burgers!"

she might say:
"I don't know..."

you: "what, you don't want a good burger? are you on a diet? they'll give you a cracker and some celery if you prefer"

her: "haha, no I'm not on a diet!"

you: "good! then I'll pick you up at 7. Be ready, don't make me wait! Cya Thursday"

her: ok, bye!


it just seems like too many guys around her do this instead

you: "Hey, let's go hiking on saturday" (or whatever date)

her: I dunno

you: if you don't want to spend time with me, whatever. *click*
 

DonJuanMonk

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Don't worry when you'll be kissing her, do it when it's right. When you're focused on "I gotta do this before this and this set time" the pressure is on you and guess what half the time you will fail. If you feel you must kiss on the first date and the timing is right - don't do it. But at any other time, go for it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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