"I'm a pretty ugly guy so probably won't like me"

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah I get what your saying. I think there is really no debate in this thread.

It's a simple matter of every guy literally trying to deliver the same message.

But my point was it could be delivered in a way that is clear, concise, applicable, and simplistic. Instead of using pseudo psycho-babble of "believe in yourself", something the self improvement community is guilty of.

At the end of the day, nothing escapes the attraction hierarchy:

1. Dominance - Looks, social status, height, money, etc (Even internal dominance counts)
2. Sexual tension - masculine man + feminine woman = automatic sexual tension
3. Intrigue - Don't solve yourself to women
4. Credibility - You're not a total loser
5. Connection - Interesting that this is last, yet most guys try to create a connection first, which makes women's vaginas dry up.


If you have any form of dominance whatsoever, the very first thing you need to do is inject yourself into circles that are abundant with women, and then there will be automatic sexual tension between you and women. You don't have to DO anything. Sexual tension was created by nature. It wasn't created by you. Masculine dominant man + feminine women = automatic sexual tension. And from there it's a matter of being alone.

Anything beyond this simple roadmap makes it unnecessarily complex.

It's usually is "simple" even when someone says "it's complicated"...

 

[da storm]

It's usually is "simple" even when someone says "it's complicated"...

In my experience, people who make romance complicated fall into two categories:

1- People who started off very low - You've seen these people. Perhaps to them getting laid was like climbing mt. everest. So they project themselves into the picture and try to paint getting laid as a great achievement. But naturals get laid since they are 14 years old before they ever developed any mindsets/beliefs/ego. So getting laid is actually a lot simpler. It can even be broken down to testosterone + be around chicks. The guys who started off very low don't want to acknowledge this because they cannot relate to naturally having zero anxiety and self limiting beliefs around chicks.

2- Guys who are confused themselves but want to sound smart. They refute the simplicity but do not offer a counter-argument. Instead they go on a character attack. They keep saying they know what they are talking about but never present any concrete attraction principles. In essence, they have no real argument, just an egoistical frame.

I think we've seen both of these types throughout this entire forum.

I rarely meet people who disagree with me and was able to present a compelling argument. I mostly get emotional responses, character attacks, or the person simply stops responding.

But hey, I am always up for a good debate. My goal is to get to the bottom of the truth. To cut through the confusion. My goal is not to pick apart people's beliefs.

And if your beliefs can't hold up against scrutiny, then perhaps you should avoid posting them, or even better, examine them and change them when it serves you to do so.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

In my experience, people who make romance complicated fall into two categories:

1- People who started off very low - You've seen these people. Perhaps to them getting laid was like climbing mt. everest. So they project themselves into the picture and try to paint getting laid as a great achievement. But naturals get laid since they are 14 years old before they ever developed any mindsets/beliefs/ego. So getting laid is actually a lot simpler. It can even be broken down to testosterone + be around chicks. The guys who started off very low don't want to acknowledge this because they cannot relate to naturally having zero anxiety and self limiting beliefs around chicks.

2- Guys who are confused themselves but want to sound smart. They refute the simplicity but do not offer a counter-argument. Instead they go on a character attack. They keep saying they know what they are talking about but never presented any concrete attraction principles. In essence, they have no real argument, just a egoistical frame.

I think we've seen both of these types throughout this entire forum.

I have yet to meet someone who disagrees with me and was able to present a compelling argument. I mostly get emotional responses, character attacks, or the person simply stops responding.

But hey, I am al up for a good debate. My goal is to get to the bottom of the truth. To cut through confusion. My goal is not to pick apart people's beliefs.

Dude, I know a bunch of socially "acceptable" people who over complicate things to make themselves sound smarter than the actual smart people... I know they don't know when they make everything sound so complicated, and especially extra use of politics and name dropping. I'm as a person determining how much of the details that they understand of what they are discussing.

On the professors. It's no secret many of them are there for research. Those types don't even want to teach. So they don't care. They understand their little tidbit, they are getting their money and that's what they care about.

 

[7onriverI f]

Storm do you think if you went out to bars/clubs 7 days a week you could pull 100 different girls a year?

I believe I could do this just going out 3 nights a week BTW. I'd actually have to put a bit of effort in pulling rather than just enjoy the night and the girl ends up leaving which i tend to do. I wouldn't have to approach 100 girls a night either to do it. It's more like less than 5 approaches of girls in total a night. A lot of game is waiting a bit until the girl is staring you direct in the eyes and then you can go and approach her if she doesn't open you first.

And I ain't ripped either. I don't believe being super ripped makes a lot of difference.

 

[da storm]

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Storm do you think if you went out to bars/clubs 7 days a week you could pull 100 different girls a year?

I believe I could do this just going out 3 nights a week BTW. I'd actually have to put a bit of effort in pulling rather than just enjoy the night and the girl ends up leaving which i tend to do. I wouldn't have to approach 100 girls a night either to do it. It's more like less than 5 approaches of girls in total a night. A lot of game is waiting a bit until the girl is staring you direct in the eyes and then you can go and approach her if she doesn't open you first.

And I ain't ripped either. I don't believe being super ripped makes a lot of difference.

I used to be a PUA who went out to bars and clubs 3-4 nights a week. I used to get hundreds of phone numbers and makeouts, one night stands, etc. But then when I hit 30 my testosterone/hormones changed. I don't know what happened, but that masculine ego/pride of wanting to conquer women died. And it disappeared overnight.

At one point I thought seduction was the meaning of life and dedicated all my time and energy into it, which is why I have a lot of experience and can diagnose someone just from reading their posts. But now my mentality has changed into wanting a deeper and more meaningful purpose.

So I started to figure out what's the most efficient use of my time. And that's having hobbies and passions/social life where women exist. Also, I no longer live in California so I have less incentive to cold approach.

If I lived in LA, or NYC, I would cold approach 24/7. But I live in a city where it's all social circle. It depends on your city. Just like how online dating is great in LA because there are 8's, 9's, and 10's in real life, but online you get 6's and 7's.

If the top city's women are 6's and 7's like Philadelphia, then online, you are going to get nothing but 4's and 5's and fatties.

It's all about the social context. In some cities like LA or NYC, nobody stays in on friday nights. In a cold industrial city, nobody goes around cold approaching and act like they have no friends.

You have to know what type of environment you are in and adapt to it. Where I live now, it's all about having a vast social eco-system and getting invited to social gatherings and parties. In the bars/clubs people are generally clicky and do not open up to strangers.

The reason why I don't promote cold approaching as much as I do social game is because there are only a select few places in the world that's great for it.

 

[7onriverI f]

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I used to be a PUA who went out to bars and clubs 3-4 nights a week. I used to get hundreds of phone numbers and makeouts, one night stands, etc. But then when I hit 30 my testosterone/hormones changed. I don't know what happened, but that masculine ego/pride of wanting to conquer women died. And it disappeared overnight.

At one point I thought seduction was the meaning of life and dedicated all my time and energy into it, which is why I have a lot of experience and can diagnose someone just from reading their posts. But now my mentality has changed into wanting a deeper and more meaningful purpose.

So I started to figure out what's the most efficient use of my time. And that's having hobbies and passions/social life where women exist. Also, I no longer live in California so I have less incentive to cold approach.

If I lived in LA, or NYC, I would cold approach 24/7. But I live in a city where it's all social circle. It depends on your city. Just like how online dating is great in LA because there are 8's, 9's, and 10's in real life, but online you get 6's and 7's.

If the top city's women are 6's and 7's like Philadelphia, then online, you are going to get nothing but 4's and 5's and fatties.

It's all about the social context. In some cities like LA or NYC, nobody stays in on friday nights. In a cold industrial city, nobody goes around cold approaching and act like they have no friends.

You have to know what type of environment you are in and adapt to it. Where I live now, it's all about having a vast social eco-system and getting invited to social gatherings and parties. In the bars/clubs people are generally clicky and do not open up to strangers.

The reason why I don't promote cold approaching as much as I do social game is because there are only a select few places in the world that's great for it.

I talk to girls outside of clubs and yes you can talk over many different days rather than short interactions in clubs that a lot don't go much further than a makeout on the dancefloor. Sometimes you pull them and their pussies smell like a swordfish but hey it's a funny story to tell. Most guys have one girlfriend and just talk to her and her friends/family. That might consist of maybe only a handful of girls. A example of this is my sister dating her boyfriend and he talks to only a handful of girls (probably count them on one hand) each week. After working 60 hours of work, playing a bit of GTA working out at home (perhaps if he went to a gym he would talk to more but he won't) and seeing his family and mine he doesn't have alot of time left. Working on his car as well takes up a lot of time.