drmeathead
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well said guru
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
...that you know ofcomic_relief said:I have a very different attitude about girlfriends and male friends then a lot of guys on this website.
If they have been friends for a long period of time, then I don't care. The only thing that I usually ask is for them to allow me to meet to become friends.
My ex-gf hung out with four different girls and when she asked if she should stop, I said keep having friends.
My current girlfriend still hangs out with her ex-boyfriends and I don't give a sh!t.
The only difference is that I know everybody that both of them hung out with AND trust my girlfriend not to do anything stupid.
You need to know when to trust and not to trust. I have yet to be screwed over.
comic_relief
I've already addressed this issue from DAY 1. I said it's okay for her to hang out once in a while with her guy friends. Although I'd been feeling a little jealous if she went out with a guy friend, but I tried to hide it, feeling that it's just my insecurity. But this issue raised up about a month ago. This 2-year guy friend asked her out immediately the day after they went to cinema. When she told me about that, I said "2 days in a row? Doesn't he have a GF or somethin? I'm not feeling comfortable about this." Thankfully she could understand my objection. But the worst was when she's with him and didn't reply to my SMS for about 2 hours. Very untypical of her. When I confront her about that, she said that she put her phone on her bag so she didn't know there was a message. We had a fight about this because I thought that was a flaky answer. Why didn't she has the initiative to check her goddamn phone! I began thinking that it's because she's having so much fun with him that she forgot about me.guru1000 said:This should have been addressed from DAY 1. Now that you are addressing it after the fact makes you look weak and insecure. Like a little kid who works up the nerve to punch his bully. Either way if this is how you feel, it needs to be addressed. Remember because you are confronting it late, you will come off as insecure. However what matters is laying out the law on your terms and willing to walk away on hers. Better late than never.
HAHA!drmeathead said:...that you know of
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Okay, I agree with you about trusting our GF's. But can you trust the guys?? You never know what intention they have and if they want to get your girl, certainly you don't want your girl to give them "false hope" by agreeing to hang out with them.comic_relief said:My current girlfriend still hangs out with her ex-boyfriends and I don't give a sh!t.
The only difference is that I know everybody that both of them hung out with AND trust my girlfriend not to do anything stupid.
You need to know when to trust and not to trust. I have yet to be screwed over.
yes, I do trust these guys. They both call me directly to hang out even if my girlfriend isn't there. The only guy that I don't trust won't talk to either of us because I told him that we were dating for three months when she didn't tell him at all for those three months because she didn't want to hurt him.Fela Kuti said:Okay, I agree with you about trusting our GF's. But can you trust the guys?? You never know what intention they have and if they want to get your girl, certainly you don't want your girl to give them "false hope" by agreeing to hang out with them.comic_relief said:My current girlfriend still hangs out with her ex-boyfriends and I don't give a sh!t.
The only difference is that I know everybody that both of them hung out with AND trust my girlfriend not to do anything stupid.
You need to know when to trust and not to trust. I have yet to be screwed over.
Most guys will want to fvck your girl and there's nothing you can do about it. GET OVER IT!!!! It's not about the guys anyway, either you're able to trust your girl or not. And who cares whether or not she has male friends, what matters is how well you can handle what she does with them.Fela Kuti said:Okay, I agree with you about trusting our GF's. But can you trust the guys?? You never know what intention they have and if they want to get your girl, certainly you don't want your girl to give them "false hope" by agreeing to hang out with them.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
what do you mean by "investing a reducing balance emotional quotient in her"?ducaro said:Ideally, out of respect your GF would not 'spend time' with another man. Since she is, you should continue and just be cool, but now you must start investing a reducing balance emotional quotient in her. Simple.
honestly i don't give a damn whether there are 1900 guys that want to **** her. but what i care is whether my gf give them a response or not. and by going out with them, that's considered responsive IMO.Francisco d'Anconia said:Most guys will want to fvck your girl and there's nothing you can do about it. GET OVER IT!!!! It's not about the guys anyway, either you're able to trust your girl or not. And who cares whether or not she has male friends, what matters is how well you can handle what she does with them.
OK, then you don't want your girl going out with guys. So what was all this fluff about this friend of hers that she's known for two years? He's a guy, she's going out with him and you don't like it; then deal with it. Stop making the situation more complex with the friend of two years thing if it truly doesn't matter to you.Fela Kuti said:honestly i don't give a damn whether there are 1900 guys that want to **** her. but what i care is whether my gf give them a response or not. and by going out with them, that's considered responsive IMO.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Fela Kuti said:I don't have a problem with her having a male friend, but the idea of seeing her hangs out frequently (about once every week or two weeks) with other guy seems to bother me. Little jealous, maybe. Probably nothing happens between them, but still. Actually I got mad when once she forgot to reply my SMS when she was with him.
strangely, i'll feel better.DonJuan11 said:If she cut it down to once every 3 weeks, would you be ok with it?
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.