If you are afraid to escalate you have no business posting about lack of success

[wifehunter]

Figured as much. Reported as a troll.

Thanks! /sarcasm

 

[wifehunter]

If there's no chemistry, any so called "escalation" will backfire. It should be slow, smooth, and easy. If she's not giving clear indicators, back off!!!

 

[wifehunter]

I'm not convinced that kino is useful or even necessary on a first date.

In my mind it's often better to BACK AWAY when they initiate kino.

Challenge!!!

 

[WhiskeyTango]

Whether you like Marmel or not, he posted truth.

Very very few females, unless drunk, will initiate sex and escalation with a stranger.

Typically, on a date with a girl you just met, you will have to be the one to initiate physical touch and contact.Hand holding. Knees touching. Kissing . Sexual contact. If done correctly, subtly, where she is not sure if it was accidental, or on purpose.....and it is done over hours....she will be dripping.

Many guys wait and wait........I met a girl from an OLD site one time. Drove to her place and picked her up, we went for lunch (she bought). As soon as we left the restaurant, I took her hand as we walked back to my truck. Had known her about an hour then.

She held my hand until we got to the truck, as soon as we got IN the truck, She reached over and took my hand again.

I signaled my sexual interest by taking her hand. She signaled hers by leaving her hand in mine. She confirmed her interest by re-taking my hand when we got into the truck.


Escalate , kino and interpret responses.

This is so freaking true! I met a chick online and took her to a bar and grill, had a few drinks, talked for a couple of hours. As we got up to leave, I reached out and offered my hand, she took it and I led her to her car, where we made out for a few minutes before parting ways. The next date I went to pick her up at her house, gave her a "hello" kiss that turned into me LEADING her ass to her bedroom to f**k and we never left the house. Banged pretty much all night. She later told me that she loved that I took her hand and LED her out to her car on that first date and the way I kissed her. She said she was so wet that if I would have asked her to go home with me that night she would not have been able to turn me down. So, had I escalated further on the first date I would have had sex with her on the first date. Escalation is key. Hell, escalation is what gets my adrenaline pumping it's exciting...it is what makes this fun!

 

[MrWiggles]

This is so freaking true! I met a chick online and took her to a bar and grill, had a few drinks, talked for a couple of hours. As we got up to leave, I reached out and offered my hand, she took it and I led her to her car, where we made out for a few minutes before parting ways. The next date I went to pick her up at her house, gave her a "hello" kiss that turned into me LEADING her ass to her bedroom to f**k and we never left the house. Banged pretty much all night. She later told me that she loved that I took her hand and LED her out to her car on that first date and the way I kissed her. She said she was so wet that if I would have asked her to go home with me that night she would not have been able to turn me down. So, had I escalated further on the first date I would have had sex with her on the first date. Escalation is key. Hell, escalation is what gets my adrenaline pumping it's exciting...it is what makes this fun!

TRUTH... a lot of noobs and naysayers will say all you did was take her hand and she let you bang so theyre going to do that and not get the bang and say its BS. What you did was a key element in gaming. bravo

 

[ubercat]

@Espi I m curious. Do you have any threads where u ve discussed your first date tactics. I like DM I just keep relentlessly approaching until I find interested women and escalate until I get pushed back or score. It pretty much seems to be binary for me.

Now that method obviously creates some emotional spikes however your method might more so I'm very interested

 

[skinnyguy]

Honestly I get women more interested in me when I don't initiate kino and act aloof

 

[marmel75]

I meet 99% of my women via online dating sites.

I invite them to drink with me (usually on the second email; sometimes the first) at a SPECIFIC day time and place.

When they arrive, I stand and make eye contact and smile and hug (I won't EVER accept a handshake from a woman).

I tell them they look gorgeous and I thank them for coming out to meet me.

Then I invite her to sit.

Then I sit.

Then I listen (80%) and speak (20%) and maintain eye contact and smile and do my best to keep the conversation simple and fun and most importantly keep the conversation focused on her.

I've done this hundreds of times so I feel like I have supreme confidence in myself. I feel like I usually know within a few minutes of actually meeting them if she and I will be making out in the parking lot afterwards.

After 2 drinks/an hour into the date, I'll ask, "Are you ready to go?"

I ALWAYS escort them to their car and immediately kiss them goodbye.

Very rarely will I try to lay them on the first date. My mindset is, If I get sex on the first date, great...but if not, I'll get it on the second or third meeting.

With the way online dating is these days there is no guarantee of anything past the first date no matter how far you escalated and sometimes even if you fvcked them on the first date...but you certainly tip the odds in your favor via greater escalation.

 

[WhiskeyTango]

I meet 99% of my women via online dating sites.

I invite them to drink with me (usually on the second email; sometimes the first) at a SPECIFIC day time and place.

When they arrive, I stand and make eye contact and smile and hug (I won't EVER accept a handshake from a woman).

I tell them they look gorgeous and I thank them for coming out to meet me.

Then I invite her to sit.

Then I sit.

Then I listen (80%) and speak (20%) and maintain eye contact and smile and do my best to keep the conversation simple and fun and most importantly keep the conversation focused on her.

I've done this hundreds of times so I feel like I have supreme confidence in myself. I feel like I usually know within a few minutes of actually meeting them if she and I will be making out in the parking lot afterwards.

After 2 drinks/an hour into the date, I'll ask, "Are you ready to go?"

I ALWAYS escort them to their car and immediately kiss them goodbye.

Very rarely will I try to lay them on the first date. My mindset is, If I get sex on the first date, great...but if not, I'll get it on the second or third meeting.

Damn Espi! We may be related! I also meet most of my women on OLD sites. I usually text three or four times before inviting them out for drinks. The initial greeting is ALWAYS with a smile and a hug! Using heavy eye contact, a positive attitude and keep the conversation light and fun has been a formula for success for me. I generally start getting IOI within a few minutes of conversation. 80/20 to 70/30 conversation ratio (women love to talk about themselves). Most of my first dates go 2 to 3 hours but seems like only an hour or so. I also lead them to their car and give the good night kiss with light kino.

 

[ubercat]

I suspect both ways may work but I'm guessing that remaining aloof would work better with the hotter women.

Next time I'm on the market I'm going to conduct the experiment.

So on the second date do you escalate as normal? How do you work the change over?

 

[WhiskeyTango]

I suspect both ways may work but I'm guessing that remaining aloof would work better with the hotter women.

Next time I'm on the market I'm going to conduct the experiment.

So on the second date do you escalate as normal? How do you work the change over?

How does being aloof work without building rapport first? Why be aloof if you are getting IOIs? If I'm on a second date it means the first date went well. I build off the first date. The end of the first date ended with kino and a kiss so the greeting I give on the second date is kino and a kiss. Also, for me the first date is drinks and conversation where the second date is more upbeat, like seeing a live band, dancing, pool...anything that requires physical contact. Very rarely am I not banging by the end of the second date.

 

[blind_one]

How does being aloof work without building rapport first? Why be aloof if you are getting IOIs? If I'm on a second date it means the first date went well. I build off the first date. The end of the first date ended with kino and a kiss so the greeting I give on the second date is kino and a kiss. Also, for me the first date is drinks and conversation where the second date is more upbeat, like seeing a live band, dancing, pool...anything that requires physical contact. Very rarely am I not banging by the end of the second date.

This is solid, or at least I think so because I am doing similarly, gonna take the chick to a water theme park for some water sliding, jacuzzi and good fun.