"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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If a woman gives friction or hesitation, CUT HER OFF!

Bigpapa

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No way I'll ever get tricked into that kind of situation. I've seen former fwbs hook up with their friends from high schools who has been chasing her while I've been f*cking her for ages. Then she tricks herself into think she fell for him while I know good and well she still has the sex on her mind from me. So I move on, get a new hot girl, while she has to settle. And they always show me who their new bf is. Physically unattractive and have little going for them.
This just means that she did not had really any relevant options, and That’s why she settled with the guy chasing after her. Same with the guy, he did not had options

but unfortunately guys who do this will never wear the pants in the relationship, and usually it ends into a really sad dynamic for both
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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zekko

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I always think back to the Friends show when Rachel made an agreement with Ross that if she doesn't have someone after 30, they'll marry. Meanwhile, she is constantly going on dates with other men and having her party life.
As I said in another thread, IMO overcoming the friendzone works better for casual hookups than for trying to get into LTRs.
 

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I disagree. Two of the best relationships I've ever had were with girls who initially spurned me. In one case, a coworker, gave me a soft No. I asked her out a few months later. She said Yes. And we had a torrid relationship. The other was a Tinder date who ghosted me after our first date. I gave her slack as she was 19. She wound up being my GF and we had a great time. There is no hard and fast rule with humans.
 
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