If a woman gives friction or hesitation, CUT HER OFF!

[The Duke]

so true @Gamisch

I will remind you that I have read many of your field reports about how you rushed to judge.

 

[TheGambino]

I will remind you that I have read many of your field reports about how you rushed to judge.

rushed to judge. What do you mean by that

 

[BPH]

This just sounds overreactive and reactionary. There’s a difference between having standards and treating every inconvenience, re-schedule, or hesitation as a calculated act of disrespect.

I think it's an ego thing.

Kinda like how some people blow up a relationship before it has a chance to end on terms not their own.

 

[HaleyBaron]

The message is sound and works for all young men. When you get older, you don't let it be too big of a dealbreaker cause you've realized that women have low self esteem and have different moods throughout the day. You just sometimes land on the unlucky roll when interacting with her. It's about the overall experience. If she is still like that constantly, then you cut her off. But you gotta treat it cautiously, and read her actions.

 

[Redwood]

I used to go quite hardcore with a similar approach and used to cut leads off very quickly for bad behaviour

However after some thought I don't think it really has much benefit

I think actually by doing a lot of the zero tolerance stuff your kind of playing into her frame ...becuase you've made it obvious you want her and she knows she has the leverage

Yea sure she can't play anymore games and she loses some attention but ultimately you don't really gain anything either other than having to find the next one and hope she's more compliant.

My best experiences with women have been where she's not really sure if I'm even interested let alone bothered enough to block her for non compliance/

There is an art to this and if you get it right she doesn't even get the option to play games because she doesn't know if you're that bothered in her that way.

That is the best angle to have them

I kind of disagree, it makes it much easier than sitting around ruminating on what could/couldn't happen esque scenarios. Life is too short to be drawn into petty squabbles for people in that sphere who ultimately have nothing to offer but just one thing.

 

[crowolf]

There is some truth to that. Of course drawing boundaries is a very important thing to do. So is not overchasing, and wasting time and energy pursuing a disinterested woman.

But: if a woman is, let's say a 9, has many options, has always been wanted, the odds of you being her top 1 choice are quite low. So, like it or not, you'd probably have to deal with at least a little BS or resistance in the process. You can't give up and block women at the slightest inconvenience or because they are not acting like you are the king of the empire. It's kind of childish. I mean, you can, but good luck with that.

 

[TheGambino]

There is some truth to that. Of course drawing boundaries is a very important thing to do. As it is also not overchasing, and wasting time and energy pursuing a disinterested woman.

But: if a woman is, let's say a 9, has many options, has always been wanted, the odds of you being her top 1 choice are quite low. So, like it or not, you'd probably have to deal with at least a little BS or resistance in the process. You can't give up and block women at the slightest inconvenience or because they are not acting like you are the king of an empire. It's kind of childish. I mean, you can, but good luck with that.

yep thats also true.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I kind of disagree, it makes it much easier than sitting around ruminating on what could/couldn't happen esque scenarios. Life is too short to be drawn into petty squabbles for people in that sphere who ultimately have nothing to offer but just one thing.

Yes my point was not to allow yourself to get overly emotional about it

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Gamisch,
I like your style,you are a bona fide Don Juan....For me,if a Woman is fun in the sack,Were it necessary to conclude a relationship,I would always part on good terms....Life can be cruel,always have a digital"Black Book"for fall backs...Never burn your Boats.

 

[Gamisch]

I will remind you that I have read many of your field reports about how you rushed to judge.

You might as well qoute my post directly if you disagree ?

Its time to let go of that old disagreement. Life is too short and yet beautiful to hold on to old grudges. Lets keep it moving shall we!

 

[The Duke]

You might as well qoute my post directly if you disagree ?

Its time to let go of that old disagreement. Life is too short and yet beautiful to hold on to old grudges. Lets keep it moving shall we!

Not really disagreeing with you nor is this about you. It was something Gambino and I have talked about many times and we discussed in private messages just now. It's all good.

My thoughts have been posted above, feel free to do as you wish.

 

[RangerMIke]

Too many women in the world to waste time with those that are not really attracted to you. I agree with the OP 100%.

If she won't meet you on a date, she isn't attracted to you. Just move on. If you've been on a few dates... and she starts making things difficult... just move on because she might have been attracted to you, but she lost interest for some reason... why she lost interest doesn't really matter... the door is closed. Continuing to knock on that door just makes noise and hurts your knuckles.

Or a man can let his emotions control him, double down on effort and keep trying... and it might work (but typically it doesn't resulting in her thinking you are just a stalker)... but at that point you just have a woman that has settled for you... then the real emotional torture starts. The world is filled with men that got 'their dream girl'

Remember it is better to be alone than with a woman that doesn't really want to be with you.

 

[Solomon]

All rise! You may be seated and drink your juice.

Women are more volatile than crypto. Never trust feelings and words. Behavior in the present matters. If a woman gives friction, she doesn't like you. Get rid of her. Throw the ball in her court if you want, but don't bet on it coming back.

Hedge your dating bets with work and business. Don't be friends with women unless they're helping you level up or introducing you to elite contacts. Women don't care about your feelings. I don't care about women's feelings either and you shouldn't either unless you're committed.

If a woman begins hesitation i.e. let me get back to you, that's an instant delete. Every man should have a deal breaker of broken dates and uncertainty from women.

I had a woman say we had a date once, then she messaged me saying she had covid and just came back from the doctor's office. She was blocked. She wouldn't have covid if Idris Elba or some NBA player asked her out. Get 5 million dollars, a Lamborghini, and a lit blue-checked IG with 100k followers. Most women will not think of those excuses.

Women know what they're doing. They know when they're playing games and wanting you to chase. They know their interest levels. They know what box you're in.

To add, if a woman wants to reschedule, message her "I'm finalizing my schedule. Send me a concrete day and time within 8 hours." If she flakes on a first date with no alternative, say "I will end this here. Let's never talk again." You weren't her first choice. She didn't have a family emergency. She had a date with Tyrone and he actually called her back. Every loss in dating is due to a better man around or feelings or attraction tanking.

It takes about 8 signs of interest to beat 1/2 a sign of disinterest. Especially early on. And online, once the man brings logistics into the chat, a lot changes. If excuses and BS get introduced by the woman, she's an attention wh0re and should be unmatched.

Court's adjourned. Grab a burger.

OP is spot on for guys who are beginners or lack of value...yup I'm going there Too many men waste their time with "lukewarm" women and end up in goofy situations or frustrating outcomes. The best reaction to a flaky chick is no reaction at all.


However, I will add a tip that will separate you from "the rest of the guys" and turn you into "one of those guys." One thing I've learned from personal experience is two key points:

1. Your value as a man doesn't just get you more options; it gets you better quality. By raising your value, I'm talking about being in shape, dressing sharp, and most importantly, improving your mindset and how you deal with women. There is no 100% way to prevent flaking, but if you're one of those guys, women won't even think about doing it. Which brings me to point 2.
2. If a woman flakes on you, do not take it personally. Too many men on here chase after low-interest women or low-quality women (i.e., bar skanks, internet thots, etc.). One of the things this site preaches is spinning plates. However, it's not about quantity but quality(that's a whole other topic) When you have more than one option with women, you won't be as thirsty. Recently, I've been locked in on crypto and business while still talking to some women, but honestly, I couldn't be bothered trying to date them even though they were offering box. why? cause I'm chasing my purpose(no ams lol)Even when I went down to one, I cut her off. Getting to a place of true abundance with women isn't always about having them but BEING OK with not having them at times(that's going to go over a lot of guys heads) but once you get there you realize most women aren't that special. A lot of men aren't able to spin plates and thus they deal with low-interest women, women who make them jump through hoops. I'm not saying you gotta be a Chad, but if a woman isn't excited to date you or go on a date with you, take a look at your inventory i.e. behavior, energy, etc

Speaking from personal experience, any woman who flakes on you is actually doing you a favor. Why? Because she just saved you time and energy, two things in life you can never get back. Instead of getting frustrated, the next time a woman flakes, just call up another girl who actually values your time and energy. If you don't have another girl then just play video games ha ha

 

[nismo-4]

Stickied for a while because guys really need to not waste time on disinterested women. Tell me what I got wrong.

 

[jhonny9546]

Remember, it's better to be alone than with a woman who doesn't really want to be with you.

I'm not in his head to know if this is 100% true, but I can say with some certainty that a friend of mine, who has been in a relationship and married to his high school girlfriend for 15 years, wasn't his first choice.

She's always been a little weird... really... and it's as if my friend is simply her current "roommate."
She doesn't want to be alone, and he's "currently" there.

He's been disrespected many times.

There's some truth to what OP says; it's a bit like when someone contacts you just to ask for favors or help.

You're simply not someone they'd choose, but they can't find anyone better right now.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I'm not in his head to know if this is 100% true, but I can say with some certainty that a friend of mine, who has been in a relationship and married to his high school girlfriend for 15 years, wasn't his first choice.

She's always been a little weird... really... and it's as if my friend is simply her current "roommate."
She doesn't want to be alone, and he's "currently" there.

He's been disrespected many times.

There's some truth to what OP says; it's a bit like when someone contacts you just to ask for favors or help.

You're simply not someone they'd choose, but they can't find anyone better right now.

An Italian woman being disrespectful, you say?

 

[jhonny9546]

An Italian woman being disrespectful, you say?

Hey Billy you're fixiated on that.
I do suspect that those kind of women are actually everywhere.
We were just discussing the behaviour, that seems to be pretty "wide known"

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Hey Billy you're fixiated on that.
I do suspect that those kind of women are actually everywhere.
We were just discussing the behaviour, that seems to be pretty "wide known"

Just when I respond to you, because you tend to overlook the issue and then start threads out of frustration. Yes, disrespectful women occur in every locale, but very rarely are they everywhere you turn. If you apply Nismo's philosophy to your location, no man would ever get with any woman who lived there.

The issue is in my country, women from your country blend in without announcing themselves (while still maintaining their cultural identity), unlike the other ethnicities in my multi-ethnic country, so guys need to be aware.

To quote another forum member, "Italian women are what happens when narcism, hypocrisy, a short temper, insecurity, sadism and delusion come together in a woman". Keep this in mind and you won't be starting so many hypothetical threads, which were complained about by another member just today.

Tesla & johny hypothetical spam

Wtf with tesla and johny spam on the boards? They both not only seem to be made by the same person, they also look like some feminist put AI-bot spam campaign to fill the forums with AI-glued generic posts about some types of women or some situations that are mostly taken out of air and feeding...

www.sosuave.net

This is why I tell you to expatriate. Your mental health is valuable.

 

[Scaramouche]

Well Jhonnie,
I know a few Italian Women,seem like most others one meets,the only exceptional thing is their Mothers taught them to cook!

 

[jhonny9546]

Your mental health is valuable

Thanks for your analysis.
This is what I prefer about you.
I like that you tell something is not working, but I really like when you explain why.

Is that view of italy based on what are your experiences with women here?
Or maybe are you getting that POV because you've met 2 or 3 of them and actually made a bias about it?
(Genuine question)

the only exceptional thing is their Mothers taught them to cook!

Confirm, also to do great BJ's.

If you apply Nismo's philosophy to your location, no man would ever get with any woman who lived there.

This means that you could get women in other location with that philosophy?
What is your experience with Italian women, and women in general to actually say those affirmations?

Italian women are what happens when narcism, hypocrisy, a short temper, insecurity, sadism and delusion come together in a woman

So don't you think there is a single italian women who actually could be a good one? Why?

I can say for sure many women here do not accept a man with the characteristics/behavior we often describe in the forum..

@BillyPilgrim
Could you wonder which kind of men attract/appeal and get desired from women here in Italy?
What characteristics this kind of man have?

This is why I tell you to expatriate

I've been interested in going abroad, not for women.
Just career wise.. this is an entire topic, but shortly, here in Italy I just see older people getting hard life: low pension, too many taxes, so I might want to get where I could build my life/career/family in a stable way..
Maybe I'll get back here in italy at 70. I've actually put my eyes on Switzerland. (career/wise)

Italian women are what happens when narcism, hypocrisy, a short temper, insecurity, sadism and delusion come together in a woman

Btw, this perfectly describes my mother, sister, and many wife I see around there married with my friends..
But it's like they know it's a cultural thing, so they joke about that.