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if a girl cancels a date would you expect her to try to reshedule?

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if she canceled i feel like if she wants to still go on a date then she should mention a reschedule date right? or do you think its the guys part to try to reschedule again? i was looking at it like if she doesnt bother to mention anything then she may not have had any real intentions on meeting up right?
 

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Sounds like this one has correctly identified you as a chump. Fortunately, women are extremely forgiving of chumps and maybe it's not too late.

I've found my women friends mention rescheduling if they actually intend to. Or they'll bring it up later. If you're in touch with her just wish her a nice day, evening, whatever. Maybe crack a joke. Say something interesting and vulnerable about yourself. But give her space if she wants it. Women want us according to their cycle and on their own schedule and we must learn to respect it.
 

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i dont know if you answered the question or not?

izza said:
Sounds like this one has correctly identified you as a chump. Fortunately, women are extremely forgiving of chumps and maybe it's not too late.

I've found my women friends mention rescheduling if they actually intend to. Or they'll bring it up later. If you're in touch with her just wish her a nice day, evening, whatever. Maybe crack a joke. Say something interesting and vulnerable about yourself. But give her space if she wants it. Women want us according to their cycle and on their own schedule and we must learn to respect it.
 

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Yes, they will always reschedule an exact date if they are interested.

I've learned:

* If they reschedule but then reschedule again, you are done.
* If they say "maybe some other time" without specifying the exact time, you are done.
* If they use the word busy in any way shape or form (even if they are a single mom who works third shift and goes to school full time), you are done.
* If more than 2-3 months has elapsed from the day you first kissed them and there has not been sex, you are done.
 

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She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

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izza said:
Sounds like this one has correctly identified you as a chump. Fortunately, women are extremely forgiving of chumps and maybe it's not too late.

I've found my women friends mention rescheduling if they actually intend to. Or they'll bring it up later. If you're in touch with her just wish her a nice day, evening, whatever. Maybe crack a joke. Say something interesting and vulnerable about yourself. But give her space if she wants it. Women want us according to their cycle and on their own schedule and we must learn to respect it.
What you've written is nonsense, for most of the time. If a woman flakes and doesn't reschedule, she clearly has a low interest level. You should not contact her, unless she contacts you first. And if she does, she better (1) fess up to the flake and apologize with a damn good reason and (2) suggest a new meet up. If she fails to do either, never agree to go out with her again.

If a woman flakes and she doesn't contact you, cut her out of your life. She doesn't respect not just you but people in general.

"Repecting" women's cycles and schedules puts them in the driver seat, which they already are in many ways. Us men have to start setting up our own rules and boundaries and sticking to them or we'll only continue to see more chitty behavior from women. It is already bad enough as it is.
 

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whosthat said:
i dont know if you answered the question or not?
I thought I had when I said "I've found my women friends mention rescheduling if they actually intend to."

But please let me know if there's something I missed. Thank you!
 

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HalfPUAHalfAFC said:
What you've written is nonsense, for most of the time. If a woman flakes and doesn't reschedule, she clearly has a low interest level. You should not contact her, unless she contacts you first. And if she does, she better (1) fess up to the flake and apologize with a damn good reason and (2) suggest a new meet up. If she fails to do either, never agree to go out with her again.

If a woman flakes and she doesn't contact you, cut her out of your life. She doesn't respect not just you but people in general.

"Repecting" women's cycles and schedules puts them in the driver seat, which they already are in many ways. Us men have to start setting up our own rules and boundaries and sticking to them or we'll only continue to see more chitty behavior from women. It is already bad enough as it is.
We agree about women contacting you if they want to.

You're welcome to think the stuff about women being in charge is nonsense. I would like to give the OP as many possible avenues and ways of thinking as possible. If we disagree, so much the better for the OP. I'm not trying to convert you - I'm not sure why you feel a need to discredit what I'm saying. Simply stating that you disagree is plenty. If everybody thought the same life would be dull, don't you think?

I believe women are and should be in charge of this whole dating operation. My entire way of operating is to focus on being platonic friends with women and then I liberate them and empower them to be in charge of sexuality. "Be in charge" doesn't mean have 100% power, but it does mean having more power. I mostly just mind my own business - I try to be as humble and loving as I can. I am very honest. Sooner or later, many people want me but not everyone. Of course I have my boundaries and those are very important. But women are more powerful than us. Moreover, we men are highly suggestible whereas women's sexuality happens according to its own schedule. Unless you respect women's schedule, you will be alone. But I'm glad to hear you understand that women are in the driver's seat. It's because, despite our culture lying to us, it's true. Any attempt to control women's attraction to us is extremely annoying to women and they are very intuitive, and can detect many things that we're not aware of. My experience has been that it is best not to try to play games with women because we always lose.

I experience very few problems of disrespect in terms of flakes from women. Sorry to hear that's been your experience though. Women have more power than us but I accept it. If women aren't in the driver's seat I teach them how to seduce all the men of their dreams by being more direct and using men's suggestibility to make their dreams come true.

The one thing we men can do to attract women is to liberate and empower them and to tell the truth. Women have a terrible time with truth, especially vulnerable truths. This is a gift we can give all women.

I'm not saying you should believe those things. I'm simply saying that's what I believe.
 

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whosthat said:
if she canceled i feel like if she wants to still go on a date then she should mention a reschedule date right? or do you think its the guys part to try to reschedule again? i was looking at it like if she doesnt bother to mention anything then she may not have had any real intentions on meeting up right?
If she's still interested in you, she'll reschedule and actually follow through. If you try it, she's damn got the upper hand. This is why we preach spinning more plates.

The ball is in her court. If she doesn't reschedule, next her. Add bigneil's answer as well.

Case closed.
 

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Simple rules to live by:

1) If you ask a girl out and she says that the date/time doesn't work for her, she WILL suggest an alternative if she is at all interested in you. If she just says that she can't make it or is "busy" without an alternate suggestion, forget that she ever existed.

2) If she cancels a date and doesn't make alternate suggestions, she is not interested. Forget that she ever existed.
 

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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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bigneil said:
If they use the word busy in any way shape or form...
In a search of text transcripts of 21,000 words and 1 combined year of dating 2 women they never said they were busy ONCE!
 
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Just do the opposite of what "izza" says and you'll be fine. I think he's a master troll.

So yes, if a woman cancels and doesn't bother to reschedule, move on. She has.
 
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