"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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stuka1939

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Just curious, since I am on the passive side and want to date attractive women. I am not just talking about knockouts here, but any girl that is attractive.

When you would go out, particulary to a bar/club.


Would men hit on your girl right in front of you?

Would friends or other envious men try and put you down in front of your date/girlfriend?

Would other men try and give you intimidating stares?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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  • No. It was well established that she's with me.
  • No. My friends respect one another, were're not kids.
  • How would I know? I don't check out other guys.
Do you even acknowledge there's a woman with you when you're out? It just seems that you are fixated on other things.
 

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Don't put the cart before the horse. Your being like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, not taking a step because your afraid of whats going to happen 10 steps down the road. Just get out there are start dating, then deal with situations as they arise.

From what I can gather from your post, your afraid that your dating out of your league. Remember you are the prize, treat yourself accordingly. Most importantly if you really want to be successful with women, read and study The Bible, its what taught me everything I know. I haven't learnt nothing from replies compared to what I learnt reading the bible multiple times.
 

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MacAvoy said:
Don't put the cart before the horse. Your being like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, not taking a step because your afraid of whats going to happen 10 steps down the road.
Good image. That applies to lots of fears people have, not just men's fear of dating.
 

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MacAvoy said:
Don't put the cart before the horse. Your being like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, not taking a step because your afraid of whats going to happen 10 steps down the road. Just get out there are start dating, then deal with situations as they arise.

From what I can gather from your post, your afraid that your dating out of your league. Remember you are the prize, treat yourself accordingly. Most importantly if you really want to be successful with women, read and study The Bible, its what taught me everything I know. I haven't learnt nothing from replies compared to what I learnt reading the bible multiple times.

Good post!

To the OP scroll down and read the DJ bible. You have been here since 2000 under the screen name Mahon. You are a senior member here but post like a 14 year old who has just joined 2 weeks ago.

I have a small penis should I still be sexually active?
I am scared to hit on a girl at a bar for fear of getting my ass kicked!
Am I good looking?
Most people are average looking
I still live at home is it possible for me to still get girls.


What you need to do is quit overanalyzing and start getting out of the field and start making some moves. READ THE BIBLE Its obvious by the way you post you never had.

A DJ does not over analyze every moves he makes. Grow some balls and get out there. Sorry for the tough love but someone who has been here under the screen name MAHON for 8 Years should know better. This website is about showing growth with woman and with life. You have shown no growth.:down:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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tsmith2334

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Just curious, since I am on the passive side and want to date attractive women. I am not just talking about knockouts here, but any girl that is attractive.

When you would go out, particulary to a bar/club.


Would men hit on your girl right in front of you?
A little. Usually friendly flirting.

Would friends or other envious men try and put you down in front of your date/girlfriend?
I didn't experience that, thankfully. Matter of fact, it seemed like the opposite.

Would other men try and give you intimidating stares?
No, I don't think so. But I could be wrong. I never really cared or noticed.
 

The Deacon

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Would men hit on your girl right in front of you?

If they're her close friends, then yes, they'll playfully "flirt" with her. This is confusing, cause sometimes they actually don't like the girl but they'll do it anyway.

Would friends or other envious men try and put you down in front of your date/girlfriend?

Only if your friend is a complete douche. I've had it happen before. Rarely do other envous men step in, unless you got an HB10 or something. If you're at a club, expect at least one douche a night to try to steal your girl.

Would other men try and give you intimidating stares?

Not really intimidating stares as much as intimidation period. They'll get into your space, try to get between you and your girl, try to give you friendly conversation, you just have to gently put them back in their place.

There's risks involved, but it's worth it. You can date the women you want. Just understand that the hotter they are, the less likely they are to commit. Really hot women always look for what's bigger and better, and they're much more likely to cheat because they have more options. It's the price you pay to play the game. Get this "hopeless romantic" notion out of your head, and you'll do much better.
 

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agree w/ MacAvoy about where this question is coming from. get experience dude instead of trying to brainstorm contingencies

but generally speaking, guys will do those things if they perceive you as lower value than them or are sociopaths. for the guys perceiving you as lower value, learn how to AMOG and they'll leave you alone. for the guys who are sociopaths... no clue
 

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Well you cant and should not trust any human when it comes to money and sex as these are the two most powerful and tempting elements known to modern man.

I dated a 9 for 8 years. The most important thing is your self confidence and communication skills and you have to rock her world sexually..
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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guys only stare, like the pvssy AFC's that most of them are

i never notice cuz im too busy focusing on my girlfriend

stop being SUCH a chump that you analyze this kinda shyt when you cant even GET a girlfriend in the first place period!!!
 

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don't be an insecure *****, i take guys checking my gf out as a compliment. Now if they start hitting on her while im there, and know im her bf, we're gonna have a problem ;)

for the most part, if you trust your gf, she'll take care of the guys on her own, and if you dont trust her, you shouldnt be with her in the first place..
 

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I have never dated a woman who is less than a HB7, at least in my own eyes, and yeah, there are always other guys hitting on your girl, especially when you are not around. When you go out, guys mostly just stare. Just laugh at them together with her. That's part of dating an attractive woman.
 

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Seems every average/slightly above average chicks I know want me. How do I get the actual babes? Hmm maybe I change my game around hotter girls.
 

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Would men hit on your girl right in front of you?

It's happened before and I looked them down on it, they would usually stop.

Would friends or other envious men try and put you down in front of your date/girlfriend?

Never happened to me.

Would other men try and give you intimidating stares?

No, but if they tried dancing with my girl or try flirting with her I would be the one giving them intimidating stares.

Staring someone down usually ends in arguments, not fist fighting. That's an unnecessary fear a lot of people have these days; people think the slightest sense of wrath will materialize into a fight.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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