I think I need to quit OLD for good

[Young OG]

I've been using OLD again for almost 2 weeks. Ive been using it on and off since November last year. Since November, I had 3 dates. 1 lay, 1 make out, and 1 nothing.

I always quit for the same reasons. I feel like when I'm using OLD, I'm not as happy and I have low self esteem. But, for some reason I always think its going to be different every time. Recently, I was really happy until I started using it again. Now I feel down.

I know were supposed to laugh and not care about rejection. But, I feel worse when I'm rejected by hundreds of girls online compared to when I'm rejected from an approach. To me, just doing an approach is a victory for me. Yesterday, I sent out probably around 30 messages on POF. I had 13 of those girls view my profile and not respond. 3 girls replied back, but I didn't get any numbers. I have good openers and I've tested out different pictures. I'm no Brad Pitt, but I know that I'm not ugly. When I do get numbers, they usually lead to nowhere.

I live in a very populated area. There are lots of girls online, but at least double or more of guys. Maybe my competition is to stiff. I feel like its a full time job sending out all these messages. Its very time consuming. The ends just don't seem to justify the means. If I didn't have my kid 5 days a week, I probably wouldn't use OLD at all. I have very limited time to do approaches. I think I need to quit OLD for good and just concentrate on game in real life.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I've been using OLD again for almost 2 weeks. Ive been using it on and off since November last year. Since November, I had 3 dates. 1 lay, 1 make out, and 1 nothing.

I always quit for the same reasons. I feel like when I'm using OLD, I'm not as happy and I have low self esteem. But, for some reason I always think its going to be different every time. Recently, I was really happy until I started using it again. Now I feel down.

I know were supposed to laugh and not care about rejection. But, I feel worse when I'm rejected by hundreds of girls online compared to when I'm rejected from an approach. To me, just doing an approach is a victory for me. Yesterday, I sent out probably around 30 messages on POF. I had 13 of those girls view my profile and not respond. 3 girls replied back, but I didn't get any numbers. I have good openers and I've tested out different pictures. I'm no Brad Pitt, but I know that I'm not ugly. When I do get numbers, they usually lead to nowhere.

I live in a very populated area. There are lots of girls online, but at least double or more of guys. Maybe my competition is to stiff. I feel like its a full time job sending out all these messages. Its very time consuming. The ends just don't seem to justify the means. If I didn't have my kid 5 days a week, I probably wouldn't use OLD at all. I have very limited time to do approaches. I think I need to quit OLD for good and just concentrate on game in real life.

I quit OLD after zero lays, zero meets over the last year or two. Even though I got about a dozen number closes and half of those agreed to plan a date. They all flaked.

The last time I was successful with OLD was MySpace around 2006 as a teenager. Then it was kosher to just add random girls because they were hot and not be called a creeper.

When these girls look at the guys sending them messages they are thinking "what can I get from this guy?" Identical to a prostitute's thinking, but at least with them you're guaranteed to get laid.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I quit OLD after zero lays, zero meets over the last year or two. Even though I got about a dozen number closes and half of those agreed to plan a date. They all flaked.

The last time I was successful with OLD was MySpace around 2006 as a teenager. Then it was kosher to just add random girls because they were hot and not be called a creeper.

When these girls look at the guys sending them messages they are thinking "what can I get from this guy?" Identical to a prostitute's thinking, but at least with them you're guaranteed to get laid.

Had one recently get pissy because I didn't reply to her Texts and messages on OLD. I gave her my number and she (single mom of 2) texts and keeps initiating the contact. I didn't really have time to message with her that weekend (was with other girls), so the next Thursday or so, I get around to getting back with her and she is just No Way, that I'm disrespectful or whatever. Pissy. I'm like I'm glad I found out how much this one is being messaged to think she can just blow me off now, after making her wait. She also could have looked up my house using my phone number and seen that I don't spend big money on houses (though relatively new) or cars. I don't buy to impress, only for function. My house has everything I need pretty much as well as my truck. I do not care for SHOW and I want a woman that wants me for me, VERY HARD to find.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'd say 40-50% of my lays were from online dating. It is just a huge numbers game. Keep at it, don't complicate things, and get dates. The lays will come.

 

[ubercat]

Back in the day and I'm talking over 10 years ago here you used to be able to pull attractive girls from online. I tried a bit last year and found the scene had deteriorated badly. I had a couple of ltrs from OLD highly attractive women but they both had a kid so that's understandable. If getting laid with single mums is your thing I think it still works. The few attractive single girls get so much attention that they become massively spoilt princesses. And the rest are the usual land whales and nut jobs.

Not sure why you guys have trouble getting dates off it though. I had plenty of dates it's just the quality of the woman was a bit off spec. Maybe you guys are screening harder on looks that I was. I date anything from a 6 upwards. For LTRs I m happy with a 7.

But yeah If you're finding it hard to get dates off at I wouldn't waste your time. The only thing it is really good for is practice. And that means plenty of dates

 

[marmel75]

Lol, just letting you know it's YOU that are the issue...I had no problems getting dates, lays, whatever I wanted out of it when I used it.

 

[Asmodeus]

OLD is not worth the time for me... You have to invest a good amount of time into doing it, and with that same time investment I can just go to someplace and meet women in person. I honestly have more success just cold approaching women than with OLD, and I am not afraid to cold approach. Unlike in OLD you actually are able to see the woman for exactly how she appears (not some photoshopped image that removed 50lbs), and you can read her and repond to her better.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

OLD is not worth the time for me... You have to invest a good amount of time into doing it, and with that same time investment I can just go to someplace and meet women in person. I honestly have more success just cold approaching women than with OLD, and I am not afraid to cold approach. Unlike in OLD you actually are able to see the woman for exactly how she appears (not some photoshopped image that removed 50lbs), and you can read her and repond to her better.

Don't you love the fat ones trimming it from the breast up, or the ugly ones doing some faded color tricks to hide their natural skin?

 

[Young OG]

I quit OLD after zero lays, zero meets over the last year or two. Even though I got about a dozen number closes and half of those agreed to plan a date. They all flaked.

The last time I was successful with OLD was MySpace around 2006 as a teenager. Then it was kosher to just add random girls because they were hot and not be called a creeper.

When these girls look at the guys sending them messages they are thinking "what can I get from this guy?" Identical to a prostitute's thinking, but at least with them you're guaranteed to get laid.

Wow, I thought I was doing bad on there. I have gotten lots of flakes too. I have plenty to offer (2 paid off german cars, house paid off, decent job, etc) but I don't need gold diggers.

I'd say 40-50% of my lays were from online dating. It is just a huge numbers game. Keep at it, don't complicate things, and get dates. The lays will come.

Maybe I'm just not sending out enough messages. Its just to time consuming, like its another job. My main problem is it kills my self esteem and ego.

Back in the day and I'm talking over 10 years ago here you used to be able to pull attractive girls from online. I tried a bit last year and found the scene had deteriorated badly. I had a couple of ltrs from OLD highly attractive women but they both had a kid so that's understandable. If getting laid with single mums is your thing I think it still works. The few attractive single girls get so much attention that they become massively spoilt princesses. And the rest are the usual land whales and nut jobs.

Not sure why you guys have trouble getting dates off it though. I had plenty of dates it's just the quality of the woman was a bit off spec. Maybe you guys are screening harder on looks that I was. I date anything from a 6 upwards. For LTRs I m happy with a 7.

But yeah If you're finding it hard to get dates off at I wouldn't waste your time. The only thing it is really good for is practice. And that means plenty of dates

Im sure it has gotten worse and will keep getting worse. Maybe I am being to picky. I only message 7s and up. I also only message women that don't have kids, even though I have one lol.

Agreed.

How do you see Indicators of interest?

Women On-line get hit with HUNDREDS of messages from thirsty no -game chumps. With that kind of attention, they get big heads, inflated egos and an elevated sense of their own SMV. In short, they become spoiled and picky, moreso than they have any right to be.

And speaking of attention......how many of these largely personality disordered , damaged women are on there NOT to find amate, but simply for attention, while they sit alone in their apartments at night, reading message after message from thirsty chumps "You look so hot, I would love to meet you", blah blah blah.

Everytime you send a message out, and it gets ignored....your self-esteem drops a notch. Don't do this to yourself.

**** that. Expand your social circle instead, meet women through activities and clubs. You will be far ahead.

I do realize that they get hundreds of messages online and it goes to there heads. The afc idiots don't make it any easier for us. I don't think DJs are meant to do OLD.

OLD is not worth the time for me... You have to invest a good amount of time into doing it, and with that same time investment I can just go to someplace and meet women in person. I honestly have more success just cold approaching women than with OLD, and I am not afraid to cold approach. Unlike in OLD you actually are able to see the woman for exactly how she appears (not some photoshopped image that removed 50lbs), and you can read her and repond to her better.

The time you have to invest, I don't have. Like I said before, the ends don't seem to justify the means. I try to look for women who are trying to play games with there photos and I avoid them. Its funny, they get all these messages online because of there photoshopped pics, but probably never get approached.

Ha. Same here. I number close VERY often when I cold approach. I'd say 8 times out of 10. And usually one or two of those 8 turn into dates. Maybe more if I'm on my game and looked nice that day.

Online dating is fvcking stupid

I need to get more into doing cold approaches. I think I will learn a lot more about game then I ever would using OLD.




I'm really leaning towards deleting all OLD apps. I already deleted OKC. I just can't take how it kills my self esteem. I decided to play around with POF a little today. I did a lot better. I sent out 10 messages. I got 6 replies and 2 of them were number closes. Thanks for the replies guys.

 

[Konada]

Approaching real life interactions will build your social acumen very very much faster than OLD (I highly doubt you can even build social calibration over OLD). In fact, I think OLD is simply more cut throat than the real world because you have very little variables to base off. Simply put, 1. Looks (PICTURES ARE KING) & 2.Game. Both have to be on the dot.

I have been using guru's template line to substantial success.

You: Hi
Her: Hi
You: Hey! I'm not much into the back & forth texting or online penpal thing. I'd like us to meet for a drink one night and get to know each other better. Let me know if that sounds good to you

Green Light Response: Sure, sounds lovely etc. (Set the date)
Maybe Response: I'm not comfortable meeting someone so early. (Ask for her number, give her a call. DON'T TEXT)
No Response: Move on

Quick, efficient, a numbers game. That's what OLD is. Anything more and you're putting too much effort for little reward, that I completely agree.

 

[ubercat]

I totally concur. I don't think young guys should be doing online dating. Unless they are cougar hunting just to get a bit of sexual experience.

For older guys it can work. Konada is on the money re tactics.

You have to be very strict on yourself to only template the openers and ignore all the attention *****s who want to turn you into a message orbiter. That type of chick is expert at stringing along guys and the only way to win that game is not to play. I used to think that messaging was good practice in responding to s*** tests. However the problem is that you will get s*** tested on the dates also when you won't have the luxury of time to think about your response.

To digress a little bit generally about s*** tests I think it is good to have one general response. My favourite 3 r

Very slight shrug of the shoulders and bored look

1 from pua days - say . aww your testing me that's cute

Say. c'mon spreading out your hands with a slight smile. I particularly like this 1 because it's a subtle way of saying number 2 with a little more social intelligence.

I think it's a David deangelo thing originally. There's a number of situations that come up all the time out on the trenches. And I think it saves brain power just having 1 default response for each of them.

No doubt somebody will say that is what should happen if you have a zero f**** attitude. But let's face it I think the majority of guys here wouldn't have that down yet.

 

[Bible_Belt]

In defense of OLD, dating is stupid, whether you met online or not. If two drinks at a bar doesn't make a girl want to fvck, then she's too much work for me.

I've been killing it lately on fetlife. But you have to be open-minded. The youngest, hottest girls are the strangest. Almost all of them are into the DD/LG fantasy. They want to call you daddy and pretend to be a little girl in the bedroom. I honestly think that's sick, but I'll play along to get some pvssy from a hot girl half my age.

I need to get better with rope. I have seen a lot of 50-60 y/o guys get laid like rock stars with a harem of beautiful 20-something women just because they can suspend a b!tch from the ceiling. Google the word "shibari." If you can do that like an expert, OLD will get you limitless beautiful women, regardless of your age, money, or status.