Rolled Stones
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I never realized women care so much about looks till now
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
No man. I don't find that an nine. Not when you are wearing that hat, hair is not there an hair plays a big part in a face's look. There is a saying: hair makes your face. Imagine brad Pitt as bold, he would not be near his looks.
At the most, I can give that an 7 and a half. And if you come here to Asian, you will be surprised that their ideal look is absolutely different. And if we go to Korea, their style is completely different. Their hairstyle and dressing is completely different. So I am not sure wherever that is considered a nine. I would say that it would be at the most seven and a half.
And also a face with a cap like that without the body smiling like that does not look very attractive. If you become attracted to someone's body, it makes the face look much better. And I don't think men ever likes to rate other men's look. That is simply grayish. No men ever says to another man your face looks so hot.. Too hating would be.
At the most, I can give that an 7 and a half. And if you come here to Asian, you will be surprised that their ideal look is absolutely different. And if we go to Korea, their style is completely different. Their hairstyle and dressing is completely different. So I am not sure wherever that is considered a nine. I would say that it would be at the most seven and a half.
And also a face with a cap like that without the body smiling like that does not look very attractive. If you become attracted to someone's body, it makes the face look much better. And I don't think men ever likes to rate other men's look. That is simply grayish. No men ever says to another man your face looks so hot.. Too hating would be.
Stagger Lee
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It's just one pic and not a very revealing one, but I can see how he could be attractive to females. Most guys will think well it's just a little above average, but they don't see male looks the same way as females apparently do.
I don't think the blonde hair and blue eyes makes much difference, as long as he's not pale and has a good complexion which he does. He's got good facial symmetry and balance, compact mid-face, face is masculine and lean but not too masculine with the right size proportions, young, good complexion, good teeth and smile. His eyebrows look a little thick, but since they're symmetrical and i assume he has good hair, it works. Having or not having ALL these features makes you either "hot" or "not hot" to women. Most guys are only lacking a little in one or some of these areas but that's all it takes.
My looks (besides I have black hair) are very close to his but I have a little more asymmetry, older, a little more masculine porportions, hair thinning and that makes the difference.
I don't think the blonde hair and blue eyes makes much difference, as long as he's not pale and has a good complexion which he does. He's got good facial symmetry and balance, compact mid-face, face is masculine and lean but not too masculine with the right size proportions, young, good complexion, good teeth and smile. His eyebrows look a little thick, but since they're symmetrical and i assume he has good hair, it works. Having or not having ALL these features makes you either "hot" or "not hot" to women. Most guys are only lacking a little in one or some of these areas but that's all it takes.
My looks (besides I have black hair) are very close to his but I have a little more asymmetry, older, a little more masculine porportions, hair thinning and that makes the difference.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
expos
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No homo...but he's a decent looking dude...He's got that Hollister/Abercrombie look going for him which some girls like. I don't know about a 9...but it's all subjective. Girls have different types...just like guys do.
The test I always use to find whether I find another dude attractive (no homo) is this scenario....
Say you are dating a girl for 3 months or so, and you find out she cheated on you. You find who the guy is, or find a picture of him online, etc. Do you get envious or jealous or insecure in any way when you discover what he looks like? Or do you laugh and say "good luck with that chump!!!" and move on?
In the case of the photo I just saw...I would get sort of envious. If the guy was fat ass dude with a double chin, I wouldn't even get phased. It would just confirm that my girl doesn't value a guy who takes care of himself (and all guys should).
The test I always use to find whether I find another dude attractive (no homo) is this scenario....
Say you are dating a girl for 3 months or so, and you find out she cheated on you. You find who the guy is, or find a picture of him online, etc. Do you get envious or jealous or insecure in any way when you discover what he looks like? Or do you laugh and say "good luck with that chump!!!" and move on?
In the case of the photo I just saw...I would get sort of envious. If the guy was fat ass dude with a double chin, I wouldn't even get phased. It would just confirm that my girl doesn't value a guy who takes care of himself (and all guys should).
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Rolled Stones
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lol
I have been asked to model and approached by women at the mall. Put up about 10 different pictures of myself on beautifulpeople.com and got in with female attention. I look better than most guys out there.
I have been asked to model and approached by women at the mall. Put up about 10 different pictures of myself on beautifulpeople.com and got in with female attention. I look better than most guys out there.
MikeOck
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Wait, people care about what other people look like when judging their attractiveness?!? What a shocking concept! I'm appalled!
But seriously, of course people judge others on their appearance. The more universally physically attractive one is, male or female, the easier time they will have acquiring dates. This isn't a secret.
However, that should never be taken as less attractive people can not get laid, often, or that they can't find meaningful and long lasting relationships. An individual's specific level of physical attractiveness can be altered several levels with things like clothes, hair style, exercise, grooming, confidence and attitude.
Additionally, different people have different tastes when it comes to what they consider attractive. Some people like curves, some people like "hard bodies", some like hair, some clean shaven, some dark, some light. Some people find intellect attractive, some like sleazy, some like class. Some people like tattoos, some hate them. The variables go on and on. The only thing you can do is be the best version of yourself that you can be, believe in yourself and you will find what you seek.
In my 36 years on this planet I've met a lot of people. Some of the best relationships I've encountered are obviously mismatched attractiveness couples. This past weekend I was at a friend's birthday party and a woman I went to high school with was there with her husband. She was literally the most attractive girl in school, and even at 37 she is stunning. Her husband is a 6 at best (and he isn't wealthy either). If he had listened to some of you guys he never would have tried.
As for the op, no offense, but it sounds like some of your female friends are shallow b!tches. A word to the wise: looks always fade, but stupidity lasts a lifetime.
But seriously, of course people judge others on their appearance. The more universally physically attractive one is, male or female, the easier time they will have acquiring dates. This isn't a secret.
However, that should never be taken as less attractive people can not get laid, often, or that they can't find meaningful and long lasting relationships. An individual's specific level of physical attractiveness can be altered several levels with things like clothes, hair style, exercise, grooming, confidence and attitude.
Additionally, different people have different tastes when it comes to what they consider attractive. Some people like curves, some people like "hard bodies", some like hair, some clean shaven, some dark, some light. Some people find intellect attractive, some like sleazy, some like class. Some people like tattoos, some hate them. The variables go on and on. The only thing you can do is be the best version of yourself that you can be, believe in yourself and you will find what you seek.
In my 36 years on this planet I've met a lot of people. Some of the best relationships I've encountered are obviously mismatched attractiveness couples. This past weekend I was at a friend's birthday party and a woman I went to high school with was there with her husband. She was literally the most attractive girl in school, and even at 37 she is stunning. Her husband is a 6 at best (and he isn't wealthy either). If he had listened to some of you guys he never would have tried.
As for the op, no offense, but it sounds like some of your female friends are shallow b!tches. A word to the wise: looks always fade, but stupidity lasts a lifetime.
PeasantPlayer
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Some men look better bald believe it or not. Just not Brad Pitt he can't pull it off
Ronaldo7
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The OP obviously doesn't have much concern for his privacy by posting his picture.expos said:
In my humble opinion, i believe that the hat he is wearing will attract pedophiles, not women. It looks like something a retarded kid from special education classes would wear and think it makes him cool.
Ive always known girls cared about looks ever since I was a kid. However, I was brainwashed for several months into believing that looks didnt matter. That was when I first found out about the PUA community and bought into many people saying that.
However, as soon as I grew my hair out, got a style better suited for me, and filled out with a little muscle, I got more attention from girls. Sure personality, status, and money will matter depending on the girl, but looks always seems to be that foot in the door from my experience. And it appears to be at the top in terms of what Ive seen women in their teens and 20s respond to.
Just go to the beach this summer and try to talk to some girls. See how girls respond to a good looking guy or a dude with a nice body.
Chicks be shallow brah. As much as guys are in my opinion.
EDIT: OP, you arent a bad looking cat, though Im not found of that hat. But about being a model though?, might wanna slow down there bro. (rhymez lolz)
However, as soon as I grew my hair out, got a style better suited for me, and filled out with a little muscle, I got more attention from girls. Sure personality, status, and money will matter depending on the girl, but looks always seems to be that foot in the door from my experience. And it appears to be at the top in terms of what Ive seen women in their teens and 20s respond to.
Just go to the beach this summer and try to talk to some girls. See how girls respond to a good looking guy or a dude with a nice body.
Chicks be shallow brah. As much as guys are in my opinion.
EDIT: OP, you arent a bad looking cat, though Im not found of that hat. But about being a model though?, might wanna slow down there bro. (rhymez lolz)
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
instantnoodles
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Exactly. People do care about how their appearance is when making an impression too.
It's nothing bad. I don't see why people are surprised. It's only bad when people do it to gain absolute self-worth.
Some guys I know will spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars buying clothes or accessories to just " look good" to gain self-worth and attention. And if they're not getting it... oh boy. They'll raid the malls again.
Some of these people have never been stared at or looked at by another girl so now they're addicted to this, seeing it as a way to boost self-esteemIt's the extreme side of this that should be jaw-dropped upon
I think hats look cool on guys. When they wear coloured skinny-jeans,I almost want to throw up. Please don't wear this. :nervous:
Mike32ct
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I think women are more shallow than men. I don't think it's equal. It can't be equal, or there wouldn't be hypergamy. You either believe in hypergamy or you believe in equal shallowness.
Take a girl and a guy, both with 5 looks, and send them both into a bar to find a partner for the night. Which one is more likely to get laid?
My money is on the chick because finding a guy who isn't shallow is easy. As for the guy, we should buy him a drink as a consolation prize before he goes home watch porn lol.
*I'm just talking about looks. Wildcards like money or status are outside the scope of this discussion.
Take a girl and a guy, both with 5 looks, and send them both into a bar to find a partner for the night. Which one is more likely to get laid?
My money is on the chick because finding a guy who isn't shallow is easy. As for the guy, we should buy him a drink as a consolation prize before he goes home watch porn lol.
*I'm just talking about looks. Wildcards like money or status are outside the scope of this discussion.
instantnoodles
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Women are more shallow than men? What is wrong with this statement...oh yeah right :crackup: Generalizing!Mike32ct said:
No gender is more shallow than the other. It's based upon the individual
Some guys want girls who aren't fat
Some girls want guys who are super-mega buff like the next Arnold Schwarzenegger
I for one don't. Lol.
expos
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Just an observation - but I'm seeing looks matter in two capacities.
1. Online Dating.
2. in the 15-29 age bracket.
But past age 30, it's a whole new ballgame. I live in a metro area, lots of good looking guys and girls. I'm seeing beautiful women with some really dumpy looking dudes...especially in the 30+ age bracket.
I've been preaching this over and over and over again...but you've got to have wealth and status in your thirties to pull some nice tail - no exceptions. Looks are becoming tertiary.
I am living proof of this. My ex-wife hooked up with a not-so-attractive man after I dumped her. I was actually quite shocked that she hooked up with him because she was always picky, but this guy makes $100K per year, and that makes a lot of difference. I consider myself a pretty decent looking guy and VERY in shape, but my wife values $$$$ and status...so in her eyes, he's more attractive. I'd also like to add that this guy stalks me on LinkedIn, Facebook, and he visits my website, etc., and probably has some insecurity issues...but I won't get into that.
In reversal, the 30-year old divorced chick I just hooked up with had a very good looking husband but he barely made $30K per year. When she heard what I made, which is more than double his salary, her interest level shot up with me and I suddenly found myself sitting in fancy restaurants with her and in bed with her on the second date.
So, looks matter up until a certain age...but value, $$$, social status, and personality and end up winning in the end.
1. Online Dating.
2. in the 15-29 age bracket.
But past age 30, it's a whole new ballgame. I live in a metro area, lots of good looking guys and girls. I'm seeing beautiful women with some really dumpy looking dudes...especially in the 30+ age bracket.
I've been preaching this over and over and over again...but you've got to have wealth and status in your thirties to pull some nice tail - no exceptions. Looks are becoming tertiary.
I am living proof of this. My ex-wife hooked up with a not-so-attractive man after I dumped her. I was actually quite shocked that she hooked up with him because she was always picky, but this guy makes $100K per year, and that makes a lot of difference. I consider myself a pretty decent looking guy and VERY in shape, but my wife values $$$$ and status...so in her eyes, he's more attractive. I'd also like to add that this guy stalks me on LinkedIn, Facebook, and he visits my website, etc., and probably has some insecurity issues...but I won't get into that.
In reversal, the 30-year old divorced chick I just hooked up with had a very good looking husband but he barely made $30K per year. When she heard what I made, which is more than double his salary, her interest level shot up with me and I suddenly found myself sitting in fancy restaurants with her and in bed with her on the second date.
So, looks matter up until a certain age...but value, $$$, social status, and personality and end up winning in the end.
Big Nuts
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The key: Just be good looking enough, sooner rather than later your personality/charisma/status (game in essence) is gonna have to shine.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.