"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I made a girl hate me.

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This is something where I think my inexperience got to me. I was hooking up with this girl for a while. The whole time I thought we were just having fun.. she would call me up and say "i'm loonely" or something, then we'd go hang and eventually start making out. She facebook chats me every now and then and we talk for a bit about random stuff.. but overall I thought our relationship was just hooking up, and I thought she thought otherwise.

Then we're talking on fb chat tonight and she starts saying I don't give a **** about her, and that she views me as a close friend. I didn't know what to make of that, because I thought we were just hooking up and I didn't know she thought I was a really close friend. I tell her the honest truth, that I view her as a hookup first and a friend second, and that I thought she thought the same thing.

Well she flips out, saying that she's really hurt that I used her. She said she viewed me as a close friend all this time and she wouldn't have spent all the time talking to me if she didn't. She got offended at how I spent time talking to her if I didn't view her as a close friend. The thing that really seemed to tick her off was how I was so "heartlessly honest" (her words), by telling her that I viewed her as a hookup first and a friend second. But I've heard from many sources that honesty is the best thing in this situation.


****, she REALLY hates me. I really have no reference point for this kind of thing... this is the first time I've had anything like this happen to me. I guess it's all natural on the quest to success with women.

I need some perspective.. and some words of wisdom to go along with this. Help me out?

Thanks!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Dunno man, she brought it up all of a sudden. We had a mutual confusion as to the nature of our relationship.
 

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hah.. she actually backed off in the course of this thread's replies. she's more relaxed now, and she's apologizing for being a crazy *****.

anyway.. my point is, how can I use this as a learning experience? did I make the right move in being honest with her? I feel like I can gain a lot of 1st hand knowledge from this. Was I wrong for assuming that she was only down to have fun? If I'm ever again in a situation where a girl hooks up with me yet still talks to me a lot just normally, is it correct to assume that she's looking to be primarily friends..or was this a special case?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Dude, heed my words now

Women can be a whole lot of crazy.
If they start exposing you to crazy **** like this then keep a cool head, ask them to explain and listen.
If it still ain't making sense then just get away from her for while. Keep yourself above such petty **** as this, don't get involved with it or try to give it your logic.

Stand up for the calm, rational, levelheadedness which has long been a quality of real men. She will respect you for this quality, once she realises what a crazy ***** shes been (the next day).
 

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SharinganUser said:
... But never talk about it if you can.
I've personally gotten into a lot of trouble using this method. Apparently I have a personality/temperament that identifies me as good significant other material. I found I was a lot better off making sure girls knew where we stood, or else they'd get a rude awakening later when they found out I wasn't going to be their boyfriend, and they'd be really angry/hurt.

From a getting laid standpoint you're probably better off not saying anything, but I'm uncomfortable making people hate me.
 
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Single_Sucks said:
Dude, heed my words now

Women can be a whole lot of crazy.
If they start exposing you to crazy **** like this then keep a cool head, ask them to explain and listen.
If it still ain't making sense then just get away from her for while. Keep yourself above such petty **** as this, don't get involved with it or try to give it your logic.

Stand up for the calm, rational, levelheadedness which has long been a quality of real men. She will respect you for this quality, once she realises what a crazy ***** shes been (the next day).
Sound advice.

I would tell her to f*ck right off and delete her from facebook, delete her number and find a "more normal" (as if) woman. Life is too short to be dealing with sh*t. Plenty more women around who are looking for fun and not friendships with benefits.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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