"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I just realised I've never actually done this before.

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So, I just realised I've never actually done this before.

Little background: I am in my early 20s and have actually had a fair amount of success in my previous relationships, with three that lasted over 18 months and a few briefer ones here and there. My last major relationship was actually an engagement, and when that was broken off, I went through a long hard recovery. But I used it as a constructive experience and tried to better myself.

So now I'm back out on the "dating scene", though I've never really understood what that means. I've gone out to bars and clubs with friends, but I don't have the first idea what to do there.

The other night however, I was out to dinner with my family for one of my brother's birthdays. I got there first and hung around the front and started chatting with the hostess to fill the time. She was short and cute, which I prefer over "hot", and not-quite-thin. She giggled at some of my corny material I usually use to fill awkward silences for about ten minutes before my family showed and we sat down.

I mentioned I thought she was cute at the table and my Dad tried to be encouraging, but this scenario is usually my downfall. I plague myself with questions as reasons not to act: How do I know if she's even single? Is she even interested? Who knows if we're even comparable? She's a hostess, she probably gets hit on ALL the time.

My Dad saves me some trouble and flags our waitress over so I can ask if she knows if the hostess is single. The waitress confirms she is and supplies some more info like her name, age and what school she goes to. Ok, so that's one excuse out of the way. I try and get over any fear of embarassment while thinking of what to even say. The waitress comes back a few minutes later, and it seems she took it upon herself to speak to the hostess in passing, and says the hostess asked questions about me. I could have kissed her for that. Ok, excuses out of the way, let's do this.

I round the corner to where the welcome desk is and say hi, and she starts giggling as she gets caught by a surprise she knew was coming. We're both aware of the awkwardness and silliness of the situation, which I comment on. I say "I'm sorry, I don't usually do this," and she says "Neither do I." I make small talk for longer than I should before asking for her number, to which she says "I was wondering when you were going to ask." I give her mine as well and then ask about her schedual between work and classes for when a good time to call or do something would be. Then I get back to my table and share a few glances with her before we finish dinner and I say good bye for the evening.

All-in-all a round of accomplishment for me for the evening. But once again I'm left in a situation where I don't quite know what I'm supposed to do (and not do) and began questioning the situation. And it occurs to me: I've never actually done this before.

I have never actually "picked up" a girl and gotten her phone number before. Every other relationship or date I've ever had has been a different scenario.

So the first question is: When's the right time to call?

After that: what should the first conversation consist of? what should I get together and do with her? fancy(ish) dinner? coffee? movies? Should it even be a "date"?

and I'm still questioning how much I may actually have in common with this girl. So far, the only thing I have to go on is she managed to giggle at my goofy/awkward approach, which seems to be my default, which means she's nice. But after that, I've no idea what we may have in common, and if it's not alot it will make a first date odd. If she's not completely out of whack in her lifestyle, maybe she'll think I am (I am a huge dork after all, but I've been learning to keep those things in the closet instead of out in the open, literally and figuratively).

In any case, general advice would be appreciated. It helped just to get most of this out of my head.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I'm no master myself... but a few of things I find that work well for me:

1) Always assume women are attracted to you. Trust me...this is huge! It'll help your confidence, make approaching easier, and in general you'll be able to move with high esteem.

2) Have fun!! This is crucial as well. In my experience if you're not having fun in the dating game and enjoying the whole experience then she probably won't be having fun either.

3) Always try and look your best...again confidence comes into play here. Your confidence will be much higher if you take care of your appearance and try to look your best at all times.

4) Never stop improving yourself in areas of life that are important to you. Chase your dreams and do not stop until you've accomplished them. Work hard to achieve your goals. There is something amazing about the discipline, dedication and hardwork it takes to acheive anything worthwhile.

5) Don't make women a major priority in your life. In my experience I have the most success with women when I'm not trying to get girls..."the hungry never get fed"...

6) Treat women well...tease, joke around lots but show them respect, give them attention regardless of how attractive they are. Compliment sparingly but do it sincerely.

7) Be optimistic and have a positive outlook on life. If you're happy internally, it is just a matter of time before you radiate positive vibes. People in general are attracted to others that make them feel good.

Just some stuff that worked for me... hope it helps.
 

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Someone read my post...didn't you Fugly? :D, but entirely spot on.

She's a waitress, so she'll probably be working most nights. Call her, talk to her for a bit, tease/flirt, and get a day she's free.

-Also, it can look awesome for ever, looking like she's completely into you, and WHAMMO, she drops off the face of the world. You have, HAVE to understand that this happens, and it's not your fault, nor should you be worried about it. :)
 

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I got her number last night, when's the best day to call?
 

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Docs said:
Someone read my post...didn't you Fugly? :D, but entirely spot on.

She's a waitress, so she'll probably be working most nights. Call her, talk to her for a bit, tease/flirt, and get a day she's free.

-Also, it can look awesome for ever, looking like she's completely into you, and WHAMMO, she drops off the face of the world. You have, HAVE to understand that this happens, and it's not your fault, nor should you be worried about it. :)
Sorry not sure what post you're referring to...but I'm sorry if i pleigurised (sp?) :D ... I just said stuff that worked for me...not sure if it'll work for others but apparently it does!

Spider.. i'd definitely call her within 2 days... remember she WANTS you... you can get any girl you want and she's a LUCKY girl to be able to hang out with you! Make sure you flirt and tease her. I'll say stuff like "you're not gonna get into my pants on the first date so stop trying...", or "just so you know, you won't be getting lucky with me tonight"...or "if you're really nice to me and treat me well, I might just give u a kiss goodnight", etc.. just keep it light, have fun with it and dont' give up your power.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I'm going to suggest, why not the best time of day. Why? Because she works nights!

So, lunch.

What day. ANY day you pick. Why? Because it's not proven that waiting a specific number of days or whathave you increases or decreases your chances. Basically, you left her with her feeling some amount of interest, it ain't going up if you wait or not.

Phone at YOUR convinence!
 

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Fuglydude said:
Sorry not sure what post you're referring to...but I'm sorry if i pleigurised (sp?) :D ... I just said stuff that worked for me...not sure if it'll work for others but apparently it does!

Spider.. i'd definitely call her within 2 days... remember she WANTS you... you can get any girl you want and she's a LUCKY girl to be able to hang out with you! Make sure you flirt and tease her. I'll say stuff like "you're not gonna get into my pants on the first date so stop trying...", or "just so you know, you won't be getting lucky with me tonight"...or "if you're really nice to me and treat me well, I might just give u a kiss goodnight", etc.. just keep it light, have fun with it and dont' give up your power.
Oh no, it's more of me partly taking the idea and making it a offical post. Red linked post in the sig :)
 

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hey, um, where can I find a list of all the acronyms I see being used around here?
 

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I used to have a link, but they changed the site.
Basically..
AFC - Average Frustrated Chump
DJ - Don Juan
HB# - Hot Babe (1Ugly -10Hot)
WIP - Work In Progress
FR - Field Report
LR - Lay Report (Shezz)
FUR - Fvck Up Report (rare..)

C&F - ****y and Funny
DHV/DLV - Demostrate Higher/Lower Value
PU - Pick Up
SOI/IOI - Sign/Indicator of Interest
AAA - Always Assume Interest
CoI - Certainity of Interest
ASD - Anti Slut Defense
APD - Anti Player Defense

Whomever, feel free to add.
 

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Docs said:
I used to have a link, but they changed the site.
Basically..
AFC - Average Frustrated Chump
DJ - Don Juan
HB# - Hot Babe (1Ugly -10Hot)
WIP - Work In Progress
FR - Field Report
LR - Lay Report (Shezz)
FUR - Fvck Up Report (rare..)

C&F - ****y and Funny
DHV/DLV - Demostrate Higher/Lower Value
PU - Pick Up
SOI/IOI - Sign/Indicator of Interest
AAA - Always Assume Interest
CoI - Certainity of Interest
ASD - Anti Slut Defense
APD - Anti Player Defense

Whomever, feel free to add.

Thanks! That should all really go in the FAQ or the sticky at the top of the forum

I'll be sure to post an update if this goes anywhere with the hostess :)

On asking advice from female friends, they said calling the day after is a good thing, so I'll try it
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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also, I have no brilliant ideas for what to do with this girl, and it doesn't help that I don't know what she's into in the first place. Walks? Movies? Dinner? Club? Dancing? (Which I can't)
 

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That's why you talk to her a bit, get a sense of her interests.

And there's nothing wrong with not knowing how to do something (swimming for me), she might be more then happy to show you.
 

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OK talk to the girl, first dates always coffee at a café near a park or beach, you'll be surprised at how many there are around these places.

Once things start to go smoothly just grab her hand and lead her to do whatever you want, and I mean anything bro.

My first date with any girl is always ask them for coffee at some café then arrive 5 Min's late then take her hand and lead her away to some where else, for some reason it works don't ask me why.

And fugly you pretty much covered the DJ bible there in a nutshell, and I agree that those principles work like magic they literally do.

now back to spider, Nah don't go for a expensive date just yet, your testing her right now, just like she is. Also don't hide your goofy aspect, be totally open, of course there are some things you don't tell her but be open and don't be afraid. You've been here before I'm just telling you things you already know.

Good luck and have fun, I'll be going to uni cheering for ya LOL.
 

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Just wanna say that the guys above have given good advice.

Would just add that it really isn't that big a deal, whatever happens understand that this is a fun and learing experience.

As for when to call... Call whenever you want. There IS NO RIGHT TIME TO CALL. Personally these days I wait at least 8 days. For years I called 2 days later religiously. I've called 2 hours later and got a date. If you wanna call then call.

As for dates. Something cheap and fun. Somewhere easy to get to. Somewhere you can talk. Don't stress.

JJ

Oh! And good ****ing work brother! You got the didgits!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Spida keep us posted on what goes on...I'm curious.
 

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hell yeah man. well first of all good job on talking to that girl and getting her number. anyways dont think of yourslef as a dork at all. anyways first date go get something to eat somewhere then maybe ask if she wants to go to your house. I would talk about movies and also ask her what she does for fun. also ask her about her familly. im sure youll be alright. again congratulations man.:up:
 
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