"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I have really, really, really bad oneitis for my prom date

dds98

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So basically there's this girl that I'm friends with that isn't really my friend when I come to think of it. She used to be a 10/10 hottie and extremely respectable but now she's like a 5/10 fatty who's kind of a slut and a tease now.

I have the most extreme possible oneitis you can have for this girl. I have failed so many times with her because she's basically the first girl I've ever really liked this much or have gotten this far with.

When I didn't make my intentions clear that I liked her, we were really good friends, we hung out a lot and got along really well. Ever since I made that first move, things have been awkward ever since.

Since I have huge oneitis for her I asked her to prom, thought she was gonna say no but she said yes. I think she said yes to prom out of desperation of not getting a date (now that she isn't a 10/10 anymore). I really want to fix my relationship with her but I don't know how to do it. Can anyone help?


Long version:
  • Story starts Junior year of high school (last year)
  • I'm a nerdy shy beta foreveralone white kid
  • She's a somewhat popular white girl
  • We end up with a class together
  • I crush on her really hard but I never talk to her
  • One act plays in school comes up, we're both in it
  • We end up a little closer, more flirtation and IOIs
  • Cast party comes up
  • After the cast party me, her, another guy and another girl go to a donut shop
  • I suggest that we should make a regular "adventure group" of the 4 of us
  • The other girl there starts giving me hard IOIs, starts EXTREME kino with me in front of the other 2
  • Because of this the other guy has no competition basically and swoops me, they become boyfriend and girlfriend
  • I pretend I never liked her and I remain friends with the other 3
  • After a while I think I got over her
  • She progressively becomes less and less attractive, gets fatter
  • I get more social skills and acquire more female friends
  • He breaks up with her after 6 months towards the end of the summer

  • Senior year starts
  • All of my feelings for her resurface
  • She keeps inviting me to hang out and we text constantly, many IOIs from her
  • She invites me to a kickback at her house
  • I don't make a move
  • Other guy does, they hook up in her room
  • She shows immediate remorse, starts repeating "I got the wrong guy"
  • I later found out I was the RIGHT guy (whoops)

  • I don't make any moves because she's basically slutty now
  • We remain "friends" up until new years
  • We go to the same new years party
  • We make out for like 10 seconds at ball drop
  • I ask her out a week later, she says "let's just be friends"
  • At this point I'm like SCREW IT and completely cut contact with her
  • We end up going to the same bonfire at a friend's house a month later and she does a lot of flirty **** with me, many IOIs
  • I make a point to hang out with her and watch a movie with another couple as a double date, I do the classic arm around shoulder maneuver but I don't K-close her at all
  • I start texting her again but sound really beta
  • I tell her I want to make out with her (over text message) and she doesn't respond
  • Next time I hang out with her I try kino, some resistance, no IOIs from her at all

  • She's flirting with other guys right in front of me, but they're all fleeting
  • Things are really awkward between us now
  • Prom's coming up
  • I still have extreme oneitis for her
  • I ask her friend to 'feel out the situation' for me
  • She tells me that I shouldn't ask her to prom
  • A few weeks later her friend tells me she changed her mind
  • I ask her and she says yes

  • Sometimes she gives me IOIs, I reciprocate with kino, sometimes shes for it sometimes she isn't
  • Everyone is thinking "WTF she's so unattractive why did you ask her to prom"
  • Pretty sure she changed her mind because nobody else would want to ask her
  • I want to fix this but don't know how
 
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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What? So she was a perfect 10, and she became a 5? I think that when you start going far with a girl, you become too attached and you only try to find positive things about her, making her a 10. A 10 is nearly impossible, unless maybe it's your wife. Nobody is perfect. Go get some other girls, some other options. Talk to more girls and don't be outcome dependant.
 

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She progressively becomes less and less attractive, gets fatter
I get more social skills and acquire more female friends
Everyone is thinking "WTF she's so unattractive why did you ask her to prom"
This story doesn't make sense to me, and you already know the advice we're all going to give.

Give up on this girl forever. She's a whale.

If you actually got more social skills and more female friends, why do you even care about this girl? Is it because you stopped improving and are back to being an AFC?

Start improving again, NEVER settle for ugly girls. EVER.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Okay the 5/10 was definitely an exaggeration, she's maybe a 6-7 now. And she's not fat, just a little chubby.

The main reason why I'm really attracted to her is because of her personality and also cause she used to be really really hot.

And how do I go for other girls if I'm going to prom with this chick exactly?
 

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dds98 said:
And how do I go for other girls if I'm going to prom with this chick exactly?
Prom≠marriage

First you talk to other girls. Then you touch other girls. Then you kiss other girls.

Start a journal for more specific advice.
 

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Ok thing is, every other girl I meet I won't like as much as my oneitis girl. It can't be done. I've been friends with her for like a year and I basically fell for her personality on top of her looks. I don't think just meeting another girl and knowing her for a week will fix this.
 

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Do you actually want help or what? You keep on tying to convince these guys who are trying to help you realize that you have one-itis for her, okay if you like it, then cool, but you posted about this which means deep within your core you know the truth, you know what do man. Go for other girls mate, I'm not saying you will find one which you like, but then again you'll never know if you don't try. Momento mori.
 

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I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Dude....drop the beta act and grow a pair. If I sound harsh then there's a reason for that. You need a reality check.
 

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Ok... is there anything I can do to fix it without finding another girl?
 

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She's a substandard chick with some "magical" personality, despite the fact no one else wants to ask her to prom.

Why are you comprising your standards? Drop the chick, find someone better.
 

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dds98 said:
So basically there's this girl that I'm friends with that isn't really my friend when I come to think of it. She used to be a 10/10 hottie and extremely respectable but now she's like a 5/10 fatty who's kind of a slut and a tease now.

I have the most extreme possible oneitis you can have for this girl. I have failed so many times with her because she's basically the first girl I've ever really liked this much or have gotten this far with.

When I didn't make my intentions clear that I liked her, we were really good friends, we hung out a lot and got along really well. Ever since I made that first move, things have been awkward ever since.

Since I have huge oneitis for her I asked her to prom, thought she was gonna say no but she said yes. I think she said yes to prom out of desperation of not getting a date (now that she isn't a 10/10 anymore). I really want to fix my relationship with her but I don't know how to do it. Can anyone help?


Long version:
  • Story starts Junior year of high school (last year)
  • I'm a nerdy shy beta foreveralone white kid
  • She's a somewhat popular white girl
  • We end up with a class together
  • I crush on her really hard but I never talk to her
  • One act plays in school comes up, we're both in it
  • We end up a little closer, more flirtation and IOIs
  • Cast party comes up
  • After the cast party me, her, another guy and another girl go to a donut shop
  • I suggest that we should make a regular "adventure group" of the 4 of us
  • The other girl there starts giving me hard IOIs, starts EXTREME kino with me in front of the other 2
  • Because of this the other guy has no competition basically and swoops me, they become boyfriend and girlfriend
  • I pretend I never liked her and I remain friends with the other 3
  • After a while I think I got over her
  • She progressively becomes less and less attractive, gets fatter
  • I get more social skills and acquire more female friends
  • He breaks up with her after 6 months towards the end of the summer

  • Senior year starts
  • All of my feelings for her resurface
  • She keeps inviting me to hang out and we text constantly, many IOIs from her
  • She invites me to a kickback at her house
  • I don't make a move
  • Other guy does, they hook up in her room
  • She shows immediate remorse, starts repeating "I got the wrong guy"
  • I later found out I was the RIGHT guy (whoops)

  • I don't make any moves because she's basically slutty now
  • We remain "friends" up until new years
  • We go to the same new years party
  • We make out for like 10 seconds at ball drop
  • I ask her out a week later, she says "let's just be friends"
  • At this point I'm like SCREW IT and completely cut contact with her
  • We end up going to the same bonfire at a friend's house a month later and she does a lot of flirty **** with me, many IOIs
  • I make a point to hang out with her and watch a movie with another couple as a double date, I do the classic arm around shoulder maneuver but I don't K-close her at all
  • I start texting her again but sound really beta
  • I tell her I want to make out with her (over text message) and she doesn't respond
  • Next time I hang out with her I try kino, some resistance, no IOIs from her at all

  • She's flirting with other guys right in front of me, but they're all fleeting
  • Things are really awkward between us now
  • Prom's coming up
  • I still have extreme oneitis for her
  • I ask her friend to 'feel out the situation' for me
  • She tells me that I shouldn't ask her to prom
  • A few weeks later her friend tells me she changed her mind
  • I ask her and she says yes

  • Sometimes she gives me IOIs, I reciprocate with kino, sometimes shes for it sometimes she isn't
  • Everyone is thinking "WTF she's so unattractive why did you ask her to prom"
  • Pretty sure she changed her mind because nobody else would want to ask her
  • I want to fix this but don't know how
Why do you see yourself as a nerdy shy beta foreveralone white kid ?

Chances are if you label yourself as all of those things, you must know what qualities in yourself attribute to those labels.

And if you know that, that means you can CHANGE some of those factors !

List some of the things that you think you need to change or improve and we can work on that in this thread.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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