AFK Protector
Master Don Juan
Dude...I'm not talking about you, JSH, or Cyrano. This is a general statement. I can make general statements right?
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I have a huge problem. . .
- Thread starter Spoiled3289
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
oh dear, Cyrano and Jester and others, this forum is probably not the best place for her to get advice as it will make her jaded as it is male orientated and often focused on the approach (something that tends to be culturally unacceptable for a girl to do). So Spoiled, i wish you the best, but do not take the forum too seriously as it might not really help (in fact it might hinder you). It is focused on the wrong end, you could take out a subscription to eve or cosmopolitan or some ****.
But my real big beef is with the fact that quite a lot of you are encouraging her to almost hurt this guy. That appears to be a weakness/insecurity in yourselves, just because he has not got the benefit and support of this site, think of your pre Don Juan advice era and have a little compassion for this guy. You do not need to help- him, but do not harm him, otherwise you willl add to the JERKs in this world (hell i might still want to be one).
But my real big beef is with the fact that quite a lot of you are encouraging her to almost hurt this guy. That appears to be a weakness/insecurity in yourselves, just because he has not got the benefit and support of this site, think of your pre Don Juan advice era and have a little compassion for this guy. You do not need to help- him, but do not harm him, otherwise you willl add to the JERKs in this world (hell i might still want to be one).
Dimebag_Darrell
Banned
damn....you guys are pretty hateful against the young lass.
Anyways, you don't need to go to the kitchen and fix Dimebag Darrell a 3 course stoner meal or wash my clothes or lick my balls. What you need to do is...simply give him your number.. Tell him to call you sometime. And get his number. End of story. You don't and shouldn't kiss him because you are unsure of your interest in this guy and kissing him will be a waste of time. A hug would be better.
If he calls, talk to him and go from there.
Now give me some info....why do some girls act fiesty and ..hateful towards a guy like me for example, and then further on down the road, they're being nice, and interested and then even ask what I'm going to buy them when we get married...HUH? ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!!!!
Here's some more advice....drop acid, smoke a bowl off a Huka, snort a line, drink a shot a jager, and then go buy some lingerie from Victoria's Secret. unless you're fat, then you would need to immediately get a membership to the nearest Gold's Gym...i'm hungover..sorry for the blabbering.
Anyways, you don't need to go to the kitchen and fix Dimebag Darrell a 3 course stoner meal or wash my clothes or lick my balls. What you need to do is...simply give him your number.. Tell him to call you sometime. And get his number. End of story. You don't and shouldn't kiss him because you are unsure of your interest in this guy and kissing him will be a waste of time. A hug would be better.
If he calls, talk to him and go from there.
Now give me some info....why do some girls act fiesty and ..hateful towards a guy like me for example, and then further on down the road, they're being nice, and interested and then even ask what I'm going to buy them when we get married...HUH? ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!!!!
Here's some more advice....drop acid, smoke a bowl off a Huka, snort a line, drink a shot a jager, and then go buy some lingerie from Victoria's Secret. unless you're fat, then you would need to immediately get a membership to the nearest Gold's Gym...i'm hungover..sorry for the blabbering.
Spoiled3289
Don Juan
Thanks so much JSH, Jester, Likret, and Cyrano.
AFK: I think everyone in here is getting a little fed up of your comments, including me.
AFK: I think everyone in here is getting a little fed up of your comments, including me.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
AFK Protector
Master Don Juan
I think you'd better read more carefully because I've said before that I don't give a d@mn.
This is a perfect example of what your presence does. Trying to make me live in fear of other people's opinions. Well guess what, that ain't happenin'. Give me your best shot. I've got ideas of my own and I have the right to post them. So do you. I'm just saying this isn't the place for you. Now go away.
AFK Protector
Master Don Juan
I don't quite see how you can say I am "friggin dumb" from my forum posts.
Because in that case, you're "friggin dumb" too.
Because in that case, you're "friggin dumb" too.
Dimebag_Darrell
Banned
my brothas...make peace not war.
AFK Protector
Master Don Juan
I trying....but one has to defend themselves before backing off. The attacker needs to back down first.
So Jester and Spoiled, let's make love not war as Dimebag has said (happy b-day btw). My house 10:00 PM Central pronto.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Dimebag_Darrell
Banned
HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is my birthday!! I totally forgot about that.,.....how could I? lol wow, like thanks for reminding me.
it is my birthday!! I totally forgot about that.,.....how could I? lol wow, like thanks for reminding me.
Make love not war, and ill nuke you and then get to make even more love - fair enough.
But really do we need to all be haters?
Spoiled, this forum (unless ur doin it for kicks will have an adverse effect on you), but thanks anyway. Although you have to understand this (about people like me), i am doing what i would do for anyone, i will not treat a girl any differently than I would treat my friends, purely because she is a girl (well apart from physically but). For your own sanity you should leave, but as always the decision is up to you.
Roll with the punches
But really do we need to all be haters?
Spoiled, this forum (unless ur doin it for kicks will have an adverse effect on you), but thanks anyway. Although you have to understand this (about people like me), i am doing what i would do for anyone, i will not treat a girl any differently than I would treat my friends, purely because she is a girl (well apart from physically but). For your own sanity you should leave, but as always the decision is up to you.
Roll with the punches
Dimebag_Darrell
Banned
we're some hardcore vikings! Hail sadomasochists!! jk..
MetalFortress
Master Don Juan
Ever heard the phrase, "you give an inch, he takes a mile"? That's what gonna happen if you kiss him. You give him an inch, don't expect him to just take an inch if you decide that's all you want to give him. Only kiss him if you KNOW you like him as more than a friend. Kisses may determine if you like someone or not in chick flicks, but not in real life.
CyranoDeBergerac
Master Don Juan
I just wanted to throw in a few quick points...
AFK
What I am about to say I do not say in anger, and I bear you no ill will. I'm just making some observations. No ones saying you should be afraid of incurring the disfavor of the other posters. I completely agree with you that on a list of things you should worry about, that should be nestled somewhere near the bottom between "Who was it that sang that one song?", and "What color boxers should I wear today?"
What strikes me here is that because this possibility is even relevant enough for you to consider, you've had some experience with it in the past. It speaks to a normal insecurity about acceptance, but it's an ugly one just the same. It makes you feel weak. So in order to avoid that feeling of insecurity and weakness you subvert that tendency in yourself by going to the other extreme of not thinking before you speak and then attacking that weakness when you se it in others. Text book projection. I'm only saying this because in not exercising discretion in your posts you can sometimes put your foot in your mouth and then in your zeal for your individuality you end up dying on a hill you never would have been on if you had exercised some measure of restraint in the first place. (What's that I hear? Could it be the ghost of General Custer?)
You go on a 'generalized' rant about how guys stick up for girls and then say that you're not attacking anyone in particular. In a generalization you attack everyone. I know that for my part and Jester's we don't really care about the gender of the poster in anything more than context. I will not say that some guys don't act like idiots when girls post. Some guys flame immediately for reasons Jester laid out, some like to feel like white knights dashing off to rescue some distressed damsel, and some just like to jump on the bandwagon and gain acceptance through solidarity. But these are not mature Don Juans and don't bear commenting on because they reveal their own proclivities in their posting.
JSH
You say that this is not a great place for a woman because it is male oriented, typically focusing on approach. We disagree on a minor point here. You're right when you say that the male orientation here can be a hinderance to a women getting help on this site. This manifests itself because of the aforementioned stone-throwers, heroes, and the wannabes.
There has been a debate going on here for longer than I've been here about whether this is a sacred brotherhood of maledom where women are only a distraction at best, or whether we are a community for improving game and helping each other in our relationship pursuits. I think its a bit of both. I certainly consider this a brothehood, but there have been women who have proven their wisdom and value to us despite being singled out because of their womanhood.
I think the purpose of this site is to help each other to a healthier existence. The rules for being a healthy person (Confidence, Respect, Self-Control) are the same no matter what your gender. The tactics may vary slightly, but to say that an alleged focus on approach is more important than knowing what you want and what needs to happen for you to get it is just lunacy. Pardon my cheuvanism, but male emotional detachment makes us excellent strategic thinkers. This we can help a woman with, and I would not begrudge her her gender when she comes here with a legitimate aim as Spoiled has. If she comes here in a spirit of comraderie then we owe it to ourselves to help her become that better person because sometime in the future she may add to the brotherhood and help us and our brethren become better people.
This site is male oriented god bless it, and that can make it tough for a woman to get by. We shoot straight and pretense doesn't last too long here. This has destroyed some women before who canme here seeking attention. But a woman can make it here just so long as she comes correct and can weather the sturm und drang of the less accepting on this site. Aside from announcing her arrival by literally announcing her arrival, Spoiled has done that so far and she is the better for it. Anything that makes you a better person cannot in itself be considered a hinderance and I personally look forward to a future time when she can add to our knowledge, though admittedly that may be a while.
-Cyrano
AFK
What I am about to say I do not say in anger, and I bear you no ill will. I'm just making some observations. No ones saying you should be afraid of incurring the disfavor of the other posters. I completely agree with you that on a list of things you should worry about, that should be nestled somewhere near the bottom between "Who was it that sang that one song?", and "What color boxers should I wear today?"
What strikes me here is that because this possibility is even relevant enough for you to consider, you've had some experience with it in the past. It speaks to a normal insecurity about acceptance, but it's an ugly one just the same. It makes you feel weak. So in order to avoid that feeling of insecurity and weakness you subvert that tendency in yourself by going to the other extreme of not thinking before you speak and then attacking that weakness when you se it in others. Text book projection. I'm only saying this because in not exercising discretion in your posts you can sometimes put your foot in your mouth and then in your zeal for your individuality you end up dying on a hill you never would have been on if you had exercised some measure of restraint in the first place. (What's that I hear? Could it be the ghost of General Custer?)
You go on a 'generalized' rant about how guys stick up for girls and then say that you're not attacking anyone in particular. In a generalization you attack everyone. I know that for my part and Jester's we don't really care about the gender of the poster in anything more than context. I will not say that some guys don't act like idiots when girls post. Some guys flame immediately for reasons Jester laid out, some like to feel like white knights dashing off to rescue some distressed damsel, and some just like to jump on the bandwagon and gain acceptance through solidarity. But these are not mature Don Juans and don't bear commenting on because they reveal their own proclivities in their posting.
JSH
You say that this is not a great place for a woman because it is male oriented, typically focusing on approach. We disagree on a minor point here. You're right when you say that the male orientation here can be a hinderance to a women getting help on this site. This manifests itself because of the aforementioned stone-throwers, heroes, and the wannabes.
There has been a debate going on here for longer than I've been here about whether this is a sacred brotherhood of maledom where women are only a distraction at best, or whether we are a community for improving game and helping each other in our relationship pursuits. I think its a bit of both. I certainly consider this a brothehood, but there have been women who have proven their wisdom and value to us despite being singled out because of their womanhood.
I think the purpose of this site is to help each other to a healthier existence. The rules for being a healthy person (Confidence, Respect, Self-Control) are the same no matter what your gender. The tactics may vary slightly, but to say that an alleged focus on approach is more important than knowing what you want and what needs to happen for you to get it is just lunacy. Pardon my cheuvanism, but male emotional detachment makes us excellent strategic thinkers. This we can help a woman with, and I would not begrudge her her gender when she comes here with a legitimate aim as Spoiled has. If she comes here in a spirit of comraderie then we owe it to ourselves to help her become that better person because sometime in the future she may add to the brotherhood and help us and our brethren become better people.
This site is male oriented god bless it, and that can make it tough for a woman to get by. We shoot straight and pretense doesn't last too long here. This has destroyed some women before who canme here seeking attention. But a woman can make it here just so long as she comes correct and can weather the sturm und drang of the less accepting on this site. Aside from announcing her arrival by literally announcing her arrival, Spoiled has done that so far and she is the better for it. Anything that makes you a better person cannot in itself be considered a hinderance and I personally look forward to a future time when she can add to our knowledge, though admittedly that may be a while.
-Cyrano
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
The Irish Corleone
Don Juan
I'm not paranoid, it just amazes me that a girl who constantly gets flamed would like to stick around here.
And who says a mod wouldn't do this? Just because something hasn't been done before does not mean it will not ever be done.
AFK Protector
Master Don Juan
Thanks Cyrano. Yes, you're right, I wasn't thinking and attacked everyone. Thinking back on it, it IS due to my past experiences and I just went on a blind rant going on the other extreme...
Apologies to everyone and thanks again for setting me straight.
Apologies to everyone and thanks again for setting me straight.
Re: I just wanted to throw in a few quick points...
Personally, i do not believe that she can contribute much to the forum (whilst this is not a requirement to being here, it is helpful if you put stuff back) other than discord and disharmony. In fact, no offense to you spoiled, if you do try and help (like in your first post, be sweet and nice to girls that you like) she might even lead some n00bs astray as they will see a girl posting and ASSUME that she knows what girls want better than us. Of course we do not know what girls want, but we have our experience to fall back on, whereas i know for one that i could not honestly tell someone exactly what i want (i could say oh a pretty girl, but not explain a checklist).
I would never say that we are a sacred community of brotherdom although that should be the ethos (not including arrogance) and we should all attempt to work together and help each other (that why i spend so long answering n00bs posts, as opposed to starting my own threads on my experience. This is because n00bs always assume they are the first and consequently repost the same questions). In fact i think we need to have a stckied FAQ here that answers (not supplaces the Bible) the most important questions that are always asked ie. how do i tell if she likes me and does this girl like me. But anyway i diverge. It is a community for helping improve each other, not necessarily 'game'.
I agree with most of what you say, but the trouble is that her presence may be more divisive and destructive than is necessary and it will probably draw attention away from helping people in need. In addition, women do not seem to have so much trouble with relationships as their role is passive, which is the reason so many of us found this site, we found it hard to take an active role without being blown away.
As i said before, she should make the choice whetehr she wants to stay or not and we should not hate her, but it is probably not the best place for her advice. (+ now when she sees confident blokes she will assume, like the woman in the DJ discussion forum did, that he has had the benefit of this site and therefore she will treat him more sparingly, so we will be giving even more help to women & lets face it, currently is the blokes that need help).
Spoiled, if you do stay here, i will help as much as i possibly can, but please do not lead any n00bs astray.
I do not begrudge her her gender and i have seen the debates over women and whether they should be her, especially when some in the main forum take offense at what they see as our low 'tactics'. I just believe that she could get more effective help elsewhere.
Personally, i do not believe that she can contribute much to the forum (whilst this is not a requirement to being here, it is helpful if you put stuff back) other than discord and disharmony. In fact, no offense to you spoiled, if you do try and help (like in your first post, be sweet and nice to girls that you like) she might even lead some n00bs astray as they will see a girl posting and ASSUME that she knows what girls want better than us. Of course we do not know what girls want, but we have our experience to fall back on, whereas i know for one that i could not honestly tell someone exactly what i want (i could say oh a pretty girl, but not explain a checklist).
I would never say that we are a sacred community of brotherdom although that should be the ethos (not including arrogance) and we should all attempt to work together and help each other (that why i spend so long answering n00bs posts, as opposed to starting my own threads on my experience. This is because n00bs always assume they are the first and consequently repost the same questions). In fact i think we need to have a stckied FAQ here that answers (not supplaces the Bible) the most important questions that are always asked ie. how do i tell if she likes me and does this girl like me. But anyway i diverge. It is a community for helping improve each other, not necessarily 'game'.
I agree with most of what you say, but the trouble is that her presence may be more divisive and destructive than is necessary and it will probably draw attention away from helping people in need. In addition, women do not seem to have so much trouble with relationships as their role is passive, which is the reason so many of us found this site, we found it hard to take an active role without being blown away.
As i said before, she should make the choice whetehr she wants to stay or not and we should not hate her, but it is probably not the best place for her advice. (+ now when she sees confident blokes she will assume, like the woman in the DJ discussion forum did, that he has had the benefit of this site and therefore she will treat him more sparingly, so we will be giving even more help to women & lets face it, currently is the blokes that need help).
Spoiled, if you do stay here, i will help as much as i possibly can, but please do not lead any n00bs astray.
AFK: 1) use my name if your going to call me out.
2) Gandalf isn't real, being an ******* is real. Being a leader who helps people is real.
3) I don't know if you feel big when you flame people but i'll save you alot of time in life by telling you an ******* is just an insecure spineless *****. You might get some ass with that frame but in the long run youll end up lonely. Yor lucky your young because you can still change your life just don't internalize being a prick.
Step One: Act like a grown up and stop wasting my time with stupid crap. Live in the now. You really look bad when you let everyone get you angry.
I'm new to this board yes but im not new to the game. I've been on MASF until recently.
Who am I? I am Balanced.
2) Gandalf isn't real, being an ******* is real. Being a leader who helps people is real.
3) I don't know if you feel big when you flame people but i'll save you alot of time in life by telling you an ******* is just an insecure spineless *****. You might get some ass with that frame but in the long run youll end up lonely. Yor lucky your young because you can still change your life just don't internalize being a prick.
Step One: Act like a grown up and stop wasting my time with stupid crap. Live in the now. You really look bad when you let everyone get you angry.
I'm new to this board yes but im not new to the game. I've been on MASF until recently.
Who am I? I am Balanced.
Now all your doing is flaming back.
Step One - shut the fu(k up and listen to your own advice.
I dont give a flying fu(k if you are or are not new to this game or where you come from, you have to show respect as well as asking for it.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.