"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I got caught trying to spin plates

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Hello, I had recently broke a personal rule by asking for another number from the same social circle. It was from another Korean girl while I was "dating" another one. I found out tonight when I went on a 2nd "date" with a Korean girl. She told me she had heard about me getting a number from another Korean girl. She also told me she had a boyfriend overseas(I got lead on). I did it because I figured the first girl was losing interest, and another number from the same circle wouldn't hurt. I rejected her friend offer. She told me that I should just ask one girl out and only date her, and I disagreed. lol I may've just blackballed myself from the Koreans here for my actions. If that's the case, so be it. I thought having more options would make me more attractive, but apparently it got me into "trouble". Maybe I'm in over my head trying to date multiple girls when I've never kissed a girl on the lips. I don't know, I don't feel guilty or bad. I still have phone numbers. What should I do to not get caught up? Maybe, we should take into account that I'm inexperienced also.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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She also told me she had a boyfriend overseas(I got lead on).
Yet she went on a date with you didn't she? She was probably lying and only said that because she heard you were playing around. It was kinda her way of c*ckblocking you but she still went out with you to see if you would be persistent (she obviously found you attractive). If she had been repulsed by your actions she would have not gone out on a date with you. Measure their actions not their words.

I think you're doing fun. If you keep spinning plates not only will you get your first kiss but you'll be having secks on a regular basis with multiple plates.

The city is too big for you to just focus on 1 girl. Next time though be more careful. Take precautions like not sarging in places where you are well known and might get caught. Stuff like that. You also never want to game girls in the same social circle. That's a cardinal sin that women will never forgive you for and will ruin your reputation. Women are attracted to players but if you're playing her and her friend and they catch you they will make you pay.
 

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f283000 said:
Yet she went on a date with you didn't she? She was probably lying and only said that because she heard you were playing around. It was kinda her way of c*ckblocking you but she still went out with you to see if you would be persistent (she obviously found you attractive). If she had been repulsed by your actions she would have not gone out on a date with you. Measure their actions not their words.

I think you're doing fun. If you keep spinning plates not only will you get your first kiss but you'll be having secks on a regular basis with multiple plates.

The city is too big for you to just focus on 1 girl. Next time though be more careful. Take precautions like not sarging in places where you are well known and might get caught. Stuff like that. You also never want to game girls in the same social circle. That's a cardinal sin that women will never forgive you for and will ruin your reputation. Women are attracted to players but if you're playing her and her friend and they catch you they will make you pay.
Cool, thanks for the advice. Actually, I'm doing all this in a small town at a university of 8000 people. Those Koreans all hang together and know each other. She told me she heard bad things about me, but she thought I was a good guy.
 
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Deicide said:
If that's the case, so be it. I thought having more options would make me more attractive, but apparently it got me into "trouble". Maybe I'm in over my head trying to date multiple girls when I've never kissed a girl on the lips. I don't know, I don't feel guilty or bad. I still have phone numbers. What should I do to not get caught up? Maybe, we should take into account that I'm inexperienced also.
Dude, don't know how old you are, but you've gotta kiss a girl on the lips before you start spinning plates. I like the "so be it" part you wrote however. Powerful men say, "so be it" to lying wenches. EVERYthing is about Frame. Even if...she "caught" you in slashing her tires, you maintain the Frame motherfvcker, and you win. The frame that she's wrong and you're right, that you're more valuable than her, any woman, always. Never let a woman run roughshod over you.

Case in point, tonight messaging on POf with a hot 26 yr old blond I'd just asked to meet where she lives (kinda close to me) a couple of days ago. She responded today (I'd forgotten I'd messaged her, I don't keep up with who I sent what, just go with the flow) with like You don't even know me blah blah. So in the second message I say, "Well, what's wrong with you? Are you being truthful in your description?" and this gets her to respond, "hahah, I thought so! Do you want to meet, then? When and where?" and then I say, "6 PM Saturday afternoon in [her town], preferably close to Interstate near movie [name of] theaters - only place I know ;) You have a better place? I have to go to [big town next to hers] anyway Saturday, so...two birds ;)"
So she responds with the standard blow-off i.e. LIE, "Wish I could on Saturday. This weekend (Fri night to Monday morn) my friend is in town from Phoenix. I would hate to 'casually' meet you with a bunch of friends, and then, if we don't hit it off, it be awkward. What about tomorrow night?"

I was initially going to call her on her LIE and just mind-fvck her how I know she's lying cause she is, but I instead respond with I can't do tomorrow bc work all day, then she responds with sorry it couldn't be this weekend (trying to frame it as I REALLY wanted bad bad bad to see her :rolleyes: ) "well how about next weekend?" to which I fvckin don't give a flying fvck and go "That's ok. I already have a date for Sat. Meeting you was just a primer for the real show. I have a date next sat too, if you want to be the first one again, let me know."

I bet that pisses her the fvck off but I don't really give a fvck. I see lying, I don't like it, I call her on it, she feels bad, fvck her.
 

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no he doesn't have to have had a kiss to spin, kissing or even fvcking is not rocket science! he shouldn't care what the b!tch thinks whether he is good at this or that or never kissed before or whatever...get drunk proceed to fvck her in your car, bathroom, your house/dorm or even just get a BJ, do whatever, move on and spin, a virgin can spin plates and start getting action like any other don juan that has split 100 pu$$ies

I am assuming OP is a virgin if he has never even kissed, just trying to give a pep talk LOL
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I'm 22 years old. Yes, I'm moving on. I already got a couple potentially useful numbers, and yes I will call that other Korean I got the number from, I have nothing to lose.
 

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I was unkissed until age 26, had a married woman first

and waiting (while I learned to BE something that women truly DESIRE) was the best move I ever made (or didn't make, depending upon your point of view). It gave me time to become a black belt, an A class shottist with rifle and pistol, make a lot of money, see parts of the world, have interesting things to talk about, learn to make money with my money (ie, free time for HER, you see, as well as the ability to take her places, have neat fun (scuba diving, skiing, sailing, etc. That is what they are REALLY looking for, not the guy with the silliest peircing. :)
 

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Dude, I've been reading your journal as well.

If you haven't been laid OR EVEN KISSED A GIRL YET, you need to f*ckin' escalate with one of the girls you are seeing, on the first date.

That's what spinning plates is all about: losing those who won't put out (i.e. aren't attracted to you) and keeping those who do.

I've also noticed you seem to be gettin' numbers off a heck of a lot of asians. Wtf is with that?

I thought I saw your pic a while back and you aren't asian???

I'm not being racist here, but to me, Asian girls are fvckin' weird (the closest I have ever banged is Hawaiian). Also, because of cultural differences, they are less likely to put out as soon as a white girl, as a general rule.

Focus your efforts on white girls, escalate physically, and you'll get laid in no time. :up:
 

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runner83 said:
Dude, I've been reading your journal as well.

If you haven't been laid OR EVEN KISSED A GIRL YET, you need to f*ckin' escalate with one of the girls you are seeing, on the first date.

That's what spinning plates is all about: losing those who won't put out (i.e. aren't attracted to you) and keeping those who do.

I've also noticed you seem to be gettin' numbers off a heck of a lot of asians. Wtf is with that?

I thought I saw your pic a while back and you aren't asian???

I'm not being racist here, but to me, Asian girls are fvckin' weird (the closest I have ever banged is Hawaiian). Also, because of cultural differences, they are less likely to put out as soon as a white girl, as a general rule.

Focus your efforts on white girls, escalate physically, and you'll get laid in no time. :up:
I like exotic looking non-white women typically. I like Asians for sure. If I see them or Middle Eastern/Indian or Latinas, I'm much more likely to approach them than other girls. But I approach white women also, along with women of all races. Yes, I've gotten 5 numbers off Asian women(3 Koreans and 2 Taiwanese) this year. I'm a white blue-eyed American. Thanks for the advice on escalating. It is getting late in the school year, so escalation is going to be a must!
 
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