"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I got caught trying to spin plates

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Hello, I had recently broke a personal rule by asking for another number from the same social circle. It was from another Korean girl while I was "dating" another one. I found out tonight when I went on a 2nd "date" with a Korean girl. She told me she had heard about me getting a number from another Korean girl. She also told me she had a boyfriend overseas(I got lead on). I did it because I figured the first girl was losing interest, and another number from the same circle wouldn't hurt. I rejected her friend offer. She told me that I should just ask one girl out and only date her, and I disagreed. lol I may've just blackballed myself from the Koreans here for my actions. If that's the case, so be it. I thought having more options would make me more attractive, but apparently it got me into "trouble". Maybe I'm in over my head trying to date multiple girls when I've never kissed a girl on the lips. I don't know, I don't feel guilty or bad. I still have phone numbers. What should I do to not get caught up? Maybe, we should take into account that I'm inexperienced also.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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She also told me she had a boyfriend overseas(I got lead on).
Yet she went on a date with you didn't she? She was probably lying and only said that because she heard you were playing around. It was kinda her way of c*ckblocking you but she still went out with you to see if you would be persistent (she obviously found you attractive). If she had been repulsed by your actions she would have not gone out on a date with you. Measure their actions not their words.

I think you're doing fun. If you keep spinning plates not only will you get your first kiss but you'll be having secks on a regular basis with multiple plates.

The city is too big for you to just focus on 1 girl. Next time though be more careful. Take precautions like not sarging in places where you are well known and might get caught. Stuff like that. You also never want to game girls in the same social circle. That's a cardinal sin that women will never forgive you for and will ruin your reputation. Women are attracted to players but if you're playing her and her friend and they catch you they will make you pay.
 

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f283000 said:
Yet she went on a date with you didn't she? She was probably lying and only said that because she heard you were playing around. It was kinda her way of c*ckblocking you but she still went out with you to see if you would be persistent (she obviously found you attractive). If she had been repulsed by your actions she would have not gone out on a date with you. Measure their actions not their words.

I think you're doing fun. If you keep spinning plates not only will you get your first kiss but you'll be having secks on a regular basis with multiple plates.

The city is too big for you to just focus on 1 girl. Next time though be more careful. Take precautions like not sarging in places where you are well known and might get caught. Stuff like that. You also never want to game girls in the same social circle. That's a cardinal sin that women will never forgive you for and will ruin your reputation. Women are attracted to players but if you're playing her and her friend and they catch you they will make you pay.
Cool, thanks for the advice. Actually, I'm doing all this in a small town at a university of 8000 people. Those Koreans all hang together and know each other. She told me she heard bad things about me, but she thought I was a good guy.
 
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Deicide said:
If that's the case, so be it. I thought having more options would make me more attractive, but apparently it got me into "trouble". Maybe I'm in over my head trying to date multiple girls when I've never kissed a girl on the lips. I don't know, I don't feel guilty or bad. I still have phone numbers. What should I do to not get caught up? Maybe, we should take into account that I'm inexperienced also.
Dude, don't know how old you are, but you've gotta kiss a girl on the lips before you start spinning plates. I like the "so be it" part you wrote however. Powerful men say, "so be it" to lying wenches. EVERYthing is about Frame. Even if...she "caught" you in slashing her tires, you maintain the Frame motherfvcker, and you win. The frame that she's wrong and you're right, that you're more valuable than her, any woman, always. Never let a woman run roughshod over you.

Case in point, tonight messaging on POf with a hot 26 yr old blond I'd just asked to meet where she lives (kinda close to me) a couple of days ago. She responded today (I'd forgotten I'd messaged her, I don't keep up with who I sent what, just go with the flow) with like You don't even know me blah blah. So in the second message I say, "Well, what's wrong with you? Are you being truthful in your description?" and this gets her to respond, "hahah, I thought so! Do you want to meet, then? When and where?" and then I say, "6 PM Saturday afternoon in [her town], preferably close to Interstate near movie [name of] theaters - only place I know ;) You have a better place? I have to go to [big town next to hers] anyway Saturday, so...two birds ;)"
So she responds with the standard blow-off i.e. LIE, "Wish I could on Saturday. This weekend (Fri night to Monday morn) my friend is in town from Phoenix. I would hate to 'casually' meet you with a bunch of friends, and then, if we don't hit it off, it be awkward. What about tomorrow night?"

I was initially going to call her on her LIE and just mind-fvck her how I know she's lying cause she is, but I instead respond with I can't do tomorrow bc work all day, then she responds with sorry it couldn't be this weekend (trying to frame it as I REALLY wanted bad bad bad to see her :rolleyes: ) "well how about next weekend?" to which I fvckin don't give a flying fvck and go "That's ok. I already have a date for Sat. Meeting you was just a primer for the real show. I have a date next sat too, if you want to be the first one again, let me know."

I bet that pisses her the fvck off but I don't really give a fvck. I see lying, I don't like it, I call her on it, she feels bad, fvck her.
 

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no he doesn't have to have had a kiss to spin, kissing or even fvcking is not rocket science! he shouldn't care what the b!tch thinks whether he is good at this or that or never kissed before or whatever...get drunk proceed to fvck her in your car, bathroom, your house/dorm or even just get a BJ, do whatever, move on and spin, a virgin can spin plates and start getting action like any other don juan that has split 100 pu$$ies

I am assuming OP is a virgin if he has never even kissed, just trying to give a pep talk LOL
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'm 22 years old. Yes, I'm moving on. I already got a couple potentially useful numbers, and yes I will call that other Korean I got the number from, I have nothing to lose.
 

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I was unkissed until age 26, had a married woman first

and waiting (while I learned to BE something that women truly DESIRE) was the best move I ever made (or didn't make, depending upon your point of view). It gave me time to become a black belt, an A class shottist with rifle and pistol, make a lot of money, see parts of the world, have interesting things to talk about, learn to make money with my money (ie, free time for HER, you see, as well as the ability to take her places, have neat fun (scuba diving, skiing, sailing, etc. That is what they are REALLY looking for, not the guy with the silliest peircing. :)
 

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Dude, I've been reading your journal as well.

If you haven't been laid OR EVEN KISSED A GIRL YET, you need to f*ckin' escalate with one of the girls you are seeing, on the first date.

That's what spinning plates is all about: losing those who won't put out (i.e. aren't attracted to you) and keeping those who do.

I've also noticed you seem to be gettin' numbers off a heck of a lot of asians. Wtf is with that?

I thought I saw your pic a while back and you aren't asian???

I'm not being racist here, but to me, Asian girls are fvckin' weird (the closest I have ever banged is Hawaiian). Also, because of cultural differences, they are less likely to put out as soon as a white girl, as a general rule.

Focus your efforts on white girls, escalate physically, and you'll get laid in no time. :up:
 

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runner83 said:
Dude, I've been reading your journal as well.

If you haven't been laid OR EVEN KISSED A GIRL YET, you need to f*ckin' escalate with one of the girls you are seeing, on the first date.

That's what spinning plates is all about: losing those who won't put out (i.e. aren't attracted to you) and keeping those who do.

I've also noticed you seem to be gettin' numbers off a heck of a lot of asians. Wtf is with that?

I thought I saw your pic a while back and you aren't asian???

I'm not being racist here, but to me, Asian girls are fvckin' weird (the closest I have ever banged is Hawaiian). Also, because of cultural differences, they are less likely to put out as soon as a white girl, as a general rule.

Focus your efforts on white girls, escalate physically, and you'll get laid in no time. :up:
I like exotic looking non-white women typically. I like Asians for sure. If I see them or Middle Eastern/Indian or Latinas, I'm much more likely to approach them than other girls. But I approach white women also, along with women of all races. Yes, I've gotten 5 numbers off Asian women(3 Koreans and 2 Taiwanese) this year. I'm a white blue-eyed American. Thanks for the advice on escalating. It is getting late in the school year, so escalation is going to be a must!
 
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