"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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i fell into the friend zone?!? HOW?!?!

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last night could arguable be the worst night of my life.

ill keep it simple, my big party was ruinined...money down the drain.

Not to mention that, this girl that i was putting it on for the last couple of days ends up getting back with her "mentally" abusive ex-bf. I did'nt find out till she mentioned to her friend during the paryty. I couldnt understand it, this guy treated her like a POS. There was some chemistry between us. I used the usual methods of kino, C&F, ball busting...it all seemed to be working. Then getting back with her ex came out of left field, i never saw it coming.

ON TOP OF THAT...i was putting working it with another girl. I applied the same routine, C&F, Kino, ball busting, I THOUGHT IT WAS WORKING! Then last night came, and she goes..

her: "god..im so fustrated..i need sex"
me: "interesting...now are you looking for something term or something disposable for one night"
her: "watever, i dont care"
me: "well..all you have to do is ask"
her: "ewww...i wouldnt have sex with you. you are too good of a friend...it would be akward"

at that momemnt my mind went blank, how the hell did i end up in the friend zone? i never became her "gf", i avoided all the pitfalls that AFC's often fall into and thus become friends. i was sure of it, i done it in the past, i managed to keep women as "lover" status when i first meet them and not turn into their "Friend/girlfriend".

The only thing i can possibly think of was that she was just not attracted to me in the first place. She didnt see me that way. What do you guys think happened here? i honestly dont know.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I think your problem was coming out in the open and basically telling her that you were available for sex - this is what made her feel awkward. You shouldn't have verbalized or intellectualized it, just gone in for the kill.

Women like to feel things and believe that they 'just happened' but if you make her a formal proposition she will start to put up the ASD despite giving major buying signals.
 
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friend or couples, what else is there? so you're saying you were couples with her?

dont talk to her like you want sex, duh
 
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Darn, my crystal ball just stopped working. You only told us the result, not the history, so how are we supposed to know why this happened between you two? Why don't you tell us the whole story and then we'll give our opinions as to why.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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sigh.... so many afc questions
 
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Yeah. You verbalized it, which seems to have been the problem. You made yourself far too available. I've hooked up with girls who have told me that they have no attraction to me whatsoever and don't want to think about hooking up with me. It's just about how you approach it.

I personally would have ignored her comment, talked to her a while more, kino'ed her and then gone someplace private.

It's OK. Live and learn buddy.
 
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the replies you gave her were very AFC, you shouldve thought of something wittier or C&F to humor her.

yea, your replies did kinda sound like you were desperate...or offering yourself as an open option for her
 
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should have tried to kiss her. let the comment slide till you got her alone then you should have tried to kiss her.
 
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Damn bro.

The responses could of been better!...When a girl says anything like that turn the tables playboy!

"god I'm frustrated and need sex."

- "Well you can go to 7-11 they should be open."

- "Are you trying to seduce me?"

- "Look, if your trying to get in my pants think again, I'm not that easy."
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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me: "interesting...now are you looking for something term or something disposable for one night"
her: "watever, i dont care"
me: "well..all you have to do is ask"
her: "ewww...i wouldnt have sex with you. you are too good of a friend...it would be akward"
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I am not busting your balls, becuase we all have done much, much worse, but what did you honeslty expect her to say? No woman in her right mind would have said "killerasp" I want you to tear my clothes off and let me have it right now" for fear of being seen as too easy.



her: "god..im so fustrated..i need sex"

this should have been the entire converstion. After this you go for it, unless of course, you don't want to.

I think you are in a better position than you realize. She probalby said that to save face.
 
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