"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I don't think I will ever "let a woman in"... Or trust

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To be fair, women rarely ever show any real reason as to why you should put your full trust in them. After dating two women recently I have realized just how much damage they did. I haven't asked a girl out since those two dates nor have I truly "gamed" since those two dates. I have spoken to some women in a sexual manner after that. But I had no intention of picking them up. All because of two women that kinda lowered my self esteem.

Quite frankly a woman can ruin a man.
What? Worst case they toughen you up. But ruin? Not unless you sign a contract. Hit the gym. Then thank whoever "ruined your self esteem". They simply exposed your weaknesses. Man up and address them. Stop drinking Diet Coke, stop eating at Chick-fil-A and make homemade chicken soup with free range chicken bones.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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What? Worst case they toughen you up. But ruin? Not unless you sign a contract. Hit the gym. Then thank whoever "ruined your self esteem". They simply exposed your weaknesses. Man up and address them. Stop drinking Diet Coke, stop eating at Chick-fil-A and make homemade chicken soup with free range chicken bones.
Tell that to homeless people. Most homeless guys are homeless due to a woman.

Look at Johnny Depp. Can't even be in the trailer of his own film because people think that he beat his ex wife.

Not to mention the men ruined by divorce.

Women can be just so horrible. They do things that make a guy just want to kill themselves.
 

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Tell that to homeless people. Most homeless guys are homeless due to a woman.

Look at Johnny Depp. Can't even be in the trailer of his own film because people think that he beat his ex wife.

Not to mention the men ruined by divorce.

Women can be just so horrible. They do things that make a guy just want to kill themselves.
Homeless due to a woman? Suicide? I thought paying for dinner was bad.

Don't be the poster boy for what not to do.
 

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To be fair, women rarely ever show any real reason as to why you should put your full trust in them. After dating two women recently I have realized just how much damage they did. I haven't asked a girl out since those two dates nor have I truly "gamed" since those two dates. I have spoken to some women in a sexual manner after that. But I had no intention of picking them up. All because of two women that kinda lowered my self esteem.

Quite frankly a woman can ruin a man.
Kid are you fvcking serious?

Are you putting to much stock in women?

Women come and go
Cowboy you are the constant


Time to be more commited...to your life
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Kid are you fvcking serious?

Are you putting to much stock in women?

Women come and go
Cowboy you are the constant


Time to be more commited...to your life
I should rephrase myself a bit.

Women can do all this if you are not careful. And most men are not careful.

I say all this because I won't allow a woman to have this kinda power over me.
 

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Los you better take your head out of your fvcking azz right quick before you get right fvcked.

YOU'RE ALWAYS IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN REACTIONS!!!!!

Stop saying "most men" you dumb fvck

You don't know.....most fvcking men
 

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Los you better take your head out of your fvcking azz right quick before you get right fvcked.

YOU'RE ALWAYS IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN REACTIONS!!!!!

Stop saying "most men" you dumb fvck

You don't know.....most fvcking men
I'm just going off of what I see. And most guys that I know and see through the media get ****ed over by women. He'll look at Kurt Cobain. I'm pretty sure that he killed himself over Courtney Love.

All I am saying is that women are dangerous. They are like exotic pets. Beautiful to look at. But will kill you if you don't pay attention.
 

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I'm just going off of what I see. And most guys that I know and see through the media get ****ed over by women. He'll look at Kurt Cobain. I'm pretty sure that he killed himself over Courtney Love.

All I am saying is that women are dangerous. They are like exotic pets. Beautiful to look at. But will kill you if you don't pay attention.
Please don't be such a defeatist dumb ****. You know, it upsets me to see a young man with such a mindset.

You sound sound depressed. Why don't you reach out to someone? It would be the fvcking man thing to do.

What's with the defeatist attitude?

Be proactive son
 

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Please don't be such a defeatist dumb ****. You know, it upsets me to see a young man with such a mindset.

You sound sound depressed. Why don't you reach out to someone? It would be the fvcking man thing to do.

What's with the defeatist attitude?

Be proactive son
Say what you will. But it's the overwhelming truth.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Los you better take your head out of your fvcking azz right quick before you get right fvcked.

YOU'RE ALWAYS IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN REACTIONS!!!!!

Stop saying "most men" you dumb fvck

You don't know.....most fvcking men
This is true for the first 2 months or so, especially if you have options, but if a woman of sufficient beauty puts in a sustained effort to win your heart, your heart will become attached to her eventually. It's not only a mental decision, it's a physical reaction of her holding her heart against yours and synchronizing. This is how every attachment starts. She convinces you she is a safe harbor but once you are attached (not a conscious decision but more like the frog boiling in the water slowly) you realize one day that you now need her or she can "break your heart" (connection).

We can have this effect on them as well, and remember: it takes them longer to fall. So we at least need to resist this process of losing control until she loses control also (easier said than done).

At some point, you want a girl who can make you fall for her. IMO, there is no greater feeling than holding someone you love who loves you back. But that can only come with the risk of losing her and feeling pain. Trust me, I've spent my time alone thinking I was perfectly happy as well but didn't know what I was missing.
 

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I'm just going off of what I see. And most guys that I know and see through the media get ****ed over by women. He'll look at Kurt Cobain. I'm pretty sure that he killed himself over Courtney Love.

All I am saying is that women are dangerous. They are like exotic pets. Beautiful to look at. But will kill you if you don't pay attention.
I don't think Kurt Cobain took his life over Courtney Love. I sincerely believed he was a troubled man, whose thoughts dwelled on death too often.

Although I do think Robin William's suicide was due to alimony payments he could no longer afford. He was broke at the time of his death.
 

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This is true for the first 2 months or so, especially if you have options, but if a woman of sufficient beauty puts in a sustained effort to win your heart, your heart will become attached to her eventually. It's not only a mental decision, it's a physical reaction of her holding her heart against yours and synchronizing. This is how every attachment starts. She convinces you she is a safe harbor but once you are attached (not a conscious decision but more like the frog boiling in the water slowly) you realize one day that you now need her or she can "break your heart" (connection).

We can have this effect on them as well, and remember: it takes them longer to fall. So we at least need to resist this process of losing control until she loses control also (easier said than done).

At some point, you want a girl who can make you fall for her. IMO, there is no greater feeling than holding someone you love who loves you back. But that can only come with the risk of losing her and feeling pain. Trust me, I've spent my time alone thinking I was perfectly happy as well but didn't know what I was missing.
Just out of interest have you been following the tv drama "Masters of Sex"? What you said seems reminiscent of season 4 episode 8.
 

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Just out of interest have you been following the tv drama "Masters of Sex"? What you said seems reminiscent of season 4 episode 8.
I watched the entire series (sadly got cancelled) and can confirm.
 

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I don't think Kurt Cobain took his life over Courtney Love. I sincerely believed he was a troubled man, whose thoughts dwelled on death too often.

Although I do think Robin William's suicide was due to alimony payments he could no longer afford. He was broke at the time of his death.
Have you ever read his journal? He talks about the negative effect that she had on him. How he wanted to get a divorce and that she was going to lawyer up hardcore.

And just listen to her in an interview back in the day. She is a lot better now. But she would push any mango sucide.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Have you ever read his journal? He talks about the negative effect that she had on him. How he wanted to get a divorce and that she was going to lawyer up hardcore.

And just listen to her in an interview back in the day. She is a lot better now. But she would push any mango sucide.
Wasn't she in "The Game"? Didn't they teach her about FRAME before she went on to do a tv interview?

So perhaps she could drive a man with a weak frame to suicide?

Perhaps not so much...a man with a STRONG FRAME

can you read between the lines here...
 

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Wasn't she in "The Game"? Didn't they teach her about FRAME before she went on to do a tv interview?

So perhaps she could drive a man with a weak frame to suicide?

Perhaps not so much...a man with a STRONG FRAME

can you read between the lines here...
Trusting women = Weak frame.

Why? Because you should trust YOURSELF. Putting complete trust in others is idiotic.

I trust a woman's motives. Whatever she values or hopes to gain out of a situation is what will predict her behavior. However, I don't trust a woman to always "do right by me". You would have to be a fool. But as you can see by reading this thread.. a lot of men are fools.
 

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Trusting women = Weak frame.

Why? Because you should trust YOURSELF. Putting complete trust in others is idiotic.

I trust a woman's motives. Whatever she values or hopes to gain out of a situation is what will predict her behavior. However, I don't trust a woman to always "do right by me". You would have to be a fool. But as you can see by reading this thread.. a lot of men are fools.
What you on about?

That post was a response to the kid saying that women drive men to suicide....

I said men with weak frames maybe, but men with strong frames no.

How is that difficult for you to understand?

How are you confusing that with trust?

Nevermind eh
 

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What you on about?

That post was a response to the kid saying that women drive men to suicide....

I said men with weak frames maybe, but men with strong frames no.

How is that difficult for you to understand?

How are you confusing that with trust?

Nevermind eh
Men with weak frames always trust women to "do right by them". When this doesn't happen.. some weaker men break down completely and in extreme cases might kill themselves.

Do I really have to spoon feed this sh!t to you?

The average IQ on this forum is dropping fast.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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