I did one of the hardest social things tonight - went to the bar alone

[bigdave17]

That's never my advice. My general advice on here is if you have confidence and charm you can be a 6 and get a 9. I think you're worrying too much about LMS, and not focusing on your personality and being a well rounded individual who can talk the pants off any lady, which is what you really need to be successful, imo.

I agree

lack of confidence has been my deathspell

 

[bigdave17]

Are you in therapy?

Second point is a strawman. I'm a 7.5 or so and I date 8+. I don't meet them in clubs or on OLD, I meet them on social circles. On OLD, I match with 5s. In clubs, I hook up with 6s. Can you fathom this reality?

you're short though, for online dating and clubs that's a big problem. I'm not short

I'm also incredibly successful, which should help me if I ever do online dating. Men who earn 150K+ get responses at 10 times better rate than average

 

[bigdave17]

You're overrating yourself in a big way. Don't you know most women have a harem of men blowing their phone up? You're not just competing with men in the bar.

yea and very very very few of those men are in that 9-10 category

You guys spend all this time looking at male models and fitness models and don't realize the reality of the situation. Dudes out there who have a nice, masculine but somewhat pretty boy face, nice muscles and dress super sharp are more attractive than 95-99% of society

a 9 or a 10 - "a chad" - IE male model facial features - is incredibly incredibly rare. Go outside in public and pay attention. Most dudes look like garbage

You're like that guy who thinks 150K a year income is mediocre and you need to make 500K to be impressive...until you realize that the average national income is like 30K

 

[bigdave17]

Wait a minute, I date the women you dream of dating and you say my "problem" is Im short? You being taller hasnt helped you, remember?

I'm not saying that to insult you. My buddy who is an awesome guy told me he had the same problems with online dating being 5'4

he did eventually meet a beautiful Lebanese on match.com though but she's tiny herself

I went on a date with this girl who was a 7 or so, she showed me her tinder inbox and it was full of actual male models. Meanwhile, she was very happy to be dating me *because I was screened in the social circle*.

Don't listen to that nonsense. She knows that none of those male models would date her anyways. They would f*ck and chuck

Most women get smart at some point and realize they need to date someone in their own level. A male 10 is not going to take a 7 seriously

 

[Murk]

This thread is giving me AIDS I'm positive of that.

 

[bigdave17]

This thread is giving me AIDS I'm positive of that.

I agree with your main point BTW


I look at my ability to make friends very quickly with almost anybody I see - it's because I believe in myself
I look at my inability to get hot girls - it's because I don't believe in myself


confidence is everything

 

[bigdave17]

She "knows" this but don't think for a second it doesnt send her ego sky high, If a man could be "used" for sex by models but only settle down with a lesser looking woman...dont you think that would change the dynamic no matter what he "knew"?

what I'm telling you is her line to you was mostly nonsense. She is dating you because she knows you're her league and she won't get pumped and dumped

 

[bigdave17]

Women don't avoid being pumped and dumped, they just roll the dice with one group while they seek stability with the other. The point is, you are trying to play the pump and dump league when you are not in that league. 0% of the hot women I've dated would ever match me on online dating, her included. Its not like she is matching me on old and choosing me over the male models lol. If that were the case then I would have success on old.

you can't use this online dating example. You're 5'5 bro. Online dating is very very difficult on short men, even if you're attractive and successful

but you could probably approach 7-10s in real life and still be successful

 

[bigdave17]

Im 5'8" lol. Your toxic circular literally has no limits.

5'8 ain't that short

hhhmmm I wondering why you weren't having any success on online dating. I've talked to guys who were 6/10s who had found decent looking women on dating sites

anyways, I'll let you know my experiences when I try it myself. I will tell you my friend who is maybe 5'4 or 5'5 did meet a beautiful 5'0 Lebanese girl on there and they're very happily together

 

[mrgoodstuff]

attractiveness is a bell curve...most people are in the average. 9s and 10s are incredibly incredibly rare just like 1s and 2s

Now if you're saying attractiveness in terms of how I rate in general public, I'm easily more attractive than 90% of men. I was more attractive than 95% of the men in that bar last night

You gotta stop thinking like this. It's what's keeping you out of it.

 

[Trump]

Lol. Im similar to you and OP. But i dont think i can be friends or partner regardless if its woman or man

Joking of course
I feel more confident with women
All u need to do is to make her smile and laugh honestly

Worst thing is when they fake smile but inside they hope u go away quick

That's so true.

I have had no success with on online dating either. I've talked to guys who were 9/10s and cannot find decent looking women on dating sites.

I will tell you my friend who is maybe 6,1 or 6'2 did meet a beautiful 5'9 Caucasian girl on there and they're very happy together.