"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I am totally intimidated by the HB9s and HB10s

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Hey all.

I've never had much trouble getting women, in High School i think I've had my fill of quite a number, all of them above HB6 at the very least. However, I've never gotten with a HB9 or HB10 except with random hook-ups where i never see the girl again.

Anyways, this is has always been my comfort zone and the 9s and 10s never really bothered with me. Recently though, maybe 6 months ago? i think i've gotten alot better looking or somehting (lol), i have no idea but i'm getting alot more iois and girls just tend to crush on me a lot more. I am sophomore in college at the moment and while most of the girls who like me are girls i'd never get with (ever), there is a HB9-10 in one of my classes who i've been hanging out with alittle.

Now this is all fine and dandy except that she used to go to my HS (a year older) and I definately (along with half the guys in my grade) used to idolise her. Now that she's relatively in reach, Im amazed. EXCEPT, she terrifies me. I find that I can't be CF, I can't crack as many jokes as I would normally with other girls, I'm just in all totally intimidated by her. And i'm totalyl going to be friend-zoned if I don't do something soon.

Guys, help me grow some balls. lol.

but seriously, i'd really like some help, and if your going to just say something like "grow the **** up!" just don't waste your time. I know what hwat i need to do. I just don't know how to do it. Girls don't scare me, but this one does. And i guess some otehr HB10s.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Say, "Hey HB, are you following me around? You were in my high school at 'name of school'"

HB; "I never saw you before!"

Venser:"Were you blind then?"
 

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haha i'll file it for future use.

I dont need an icebreaker though. we've hung out a few times already now. (no thanks to me) She's pretty much initiated everything. And i just feel like my luck is going to run out soon.
 

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venser said:
Girls don't scare me, but this one does.
Just remember the old saying "No matter how good she looks now, somewhere, someone is tired of her shyt!"

She's still human and it's just as likely as any other girl that when you get to know her, you'll wish that she would just piss off. Don't put her on a pedestal, she probably doesn't deserve it.
 

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Cremasta said:
Just remember the old saying "No matter how good she looks now, somewhere, someone is tired of her shyt!"

She's still human and it's just as likely as any other girl that when you get to know her, you'll wish that she would just piss off. Don't put her on a pedestal, she probably doesn't deserve it.

I know beauty is somewhat objective and the more facial balance and symmetry a face has, the better looking it is.

However, this article does have some truth to it. Reading this will make you feel that you are NOT in competition with every guy out there and not every guy sees your 9/10 as a 9/10.

http://www.sosuave.com/articles/perfect.htm
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I used to have this problem, but then it just went away. Now my problem is the opposite where I only feel comfortable talking to the hottest chicks :p

IMO you should focus on yourself and improve your confidence and self-esteem. You need to understand that no matter how good she looks, no woman is better than you.
 

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Maxtro said:
I used to have this problem, but then it just went away. Now my problem is the opposite where I only feel comfortable talking to the hottest chicks :p

IMO you should focus on yourself and improve your confidence and self-esteem. You need to understand that no matter how good she looks, no woman is better than you.

Yeah, I used to think saying "a girl is out of my league" that I was being humble and honest.

If you think she is out of your league you are hurting your self-esteem and confidence because you are saying you are inferior and not good enough.
 

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You are putting them on the pedestal, you need to stop that. You need to try and talk to them without feeling the need to impress them, they should be the one that need to impress you! and if not fvck 'em (this is where you use negs effectively on HB's and that's when they try to prove themsleves to you). Once you get to know them a bit you discover that they are flesh and blood like you are and have bigger issues and insecurities then you do.
 

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I've been there before dude. Everyone is equal as a human being though. Make sure you use higher value when talking to her.
 

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I used to be worse than you 4 sure but I have absolutely zero fear now when talking to women...although it doesn't always go well lol...

details would help but I think I know whats going on...

after a few years i saw my oneitis and for the first time in a looong time those feelings swelled over me and I felt awkward? or not able to act normal but I quickly nuetralized that by humanizing her and imagining her doing things like fvcking, dropping a duece, falling asleep eating kfc in bed or whatever

also I upped the kino to break the sexual tension because I had realized she is a very touchy person

You spent your highscool years idolizing her, so to speak, and thats a lot of mental conditioning to break so it won't happen over night but this should help change lower her value to something under demigod

good luck
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If you see her as being better than you she'll see you as being not good enough for her! If you want her you'll have to change how you see yourself and others.
 

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saber said:
I used to be worse than you 4 sure but I have absolutely zero fear now when talking to women...although it doesn't always go well lol...

details would help but I think I know whats going on...

after a few years i saw my oneitis and for the first time in a looong time those feelings swelled over me and I felt awkward? or not able to act normal but I quickly nuetralized that by humanizing her and imagining her doing things like fvcking, dropping a duece, falling asleep eating kfc in bed or whatever

also I upped the kino to break the sexual tension because I had realized she is a very touchy person

You spent your highscool years idolizing her, so to speak, and thats a lot of mental conditioning to break so it won't happen over night but this should help change lower her value to something under demigod

good luck

yeah i really think you know what im talking about. It's hard to do so, i mean i know what I have to do, as almost all you have pointed out im really putting her on a pedastal and i need to take her off.

its just a mental barrier to get past i suppose.
 

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venser said:
Now this is all fine and dandy except that she used to go to my HS (a year older) and I definately (along with half the guys in my grade) used to idolise her. Now that she's relatively in reach, Im amazed. EXCEPT, she terrifies me. I find that I can't be CF, I can't crack as many jokes as I would normally with other girls, I'm just in all totally intimidated by her. And i'm totalyl going to be friend-zoned if I don't do something soon.

Girls don't scare me, but this one does.

Pick something you don't like about her, and obsess about it.
 

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I feel quite tentative about them myself, but I saw some cool tips.

DJ Snake Eyes
 
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