"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I am confused, I did everything right

adler321

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Hello Guys,
I had an experience recently that left me a little confused. I read a lot of stuff on this website, and I feel much more confident about myself now. The results are beginning to show. Anyway to my story.
About 10 days ago I went to a co-worker's martini party, the crowd was mostly couples (husband/wives, bf/gfs). I am single, and was just having fun, engaged in several conversations and never even thought about any women there as women (don't want to hit on your boss' wife hehe). One of the women there, was always trying to be next to me and talk to me. It got to the point where I was trying to avoid her. At the end of the party, one of my co-workers handed me a business card and said that that woman, call her Kelly, had asked her to give it to me. I also learned that Kelly was there with her loser boyfriend she had been unsuccessfully trying to dump for a long time. I was definitely flattered, so I gave Kelly a call 2 days later. I joked around and she said she had given me the card, because she thought I was cute. I asked her to have ice cream with me, she agreed, but later she asked if I would instead go to dinner, since she was hungry. I agreed...(possible mistake? gave in to her?) So we had dinner and she suddenly started telling me about her boyfriend, and how he was unemployed and she was tired of him etc. I politely suggested we don't talk about him. We switched topics. Then I suggested we take a walk and look for some ice cream still, gotta do it my way :)
We walked around town, talking, ended up with no ice cream (shops closed). Anyway, during that time, the boyfriend still came up in her conversation. She shut herself up this time. At some point during the date, I decided to go in for the kiss. To my surprise, got her cheek! I was 150% sure it would be the lips!
I got kinda bummed out. She started saying that if she kissed me, she would feel like she is cheating on her boy(him again!).
At that point I said, that if she were attracted to me, she would kiss me. I stopped the date, and at the very end said, that if she were ever to try to give her number to someone, she should sort out her boyfriend situation first. That I was not going to be her shoulder to cry on about her relationship. It was 10 days ago, she has not called me, I haven't either. I want to call her, should I? Or just forget her? She is kinda strange, but aren't all women?
Any advice on this or in general?

Thanks a buch!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Gangster Of Love

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Very very well done so far. Do not call her. You need to convince yourself that you can walk away from ANY situation and not have it mean too much. You already distinguished yourself from all the chumps that put up with that type of behavior from her. Women are strange, but predictable if you know how they think. They use those kind of games because they consistently work with most of the men they have to deal with. You are not the first, and won't be the last guy she tries to pull that trick on. She will always remember the one who cut her off righ away, you. So in the end, you walked away the winner.
 

adler321

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Thanks for the kind words. I will just forget her, but will remember this little victory.
This website is great, really inspiring.
I feel finally liberated from all the female bull****.

If she calls me, I would only be up for f***ing, and nothing more. And I will make sure she knows that! New me talking... hehe.

Say, has anyone here tried David Angelo's book? Is it any good?
 

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You're welcome. You'll know what to do if she calls. Make her earn your company. If she calls, ask her "what are you gonna do to make it up to me?" Let her work for it. Get her to cook for you, etc. You're in charge man.

David D's work will help you a lot. I have learned a lot from his stuff. His book is very good and very useful. If you can afford it, I would highly recomend his DVD/CD advanced series. Once you go through it a few times, and start applying what you learn, which is a lot of great stuff, you will be glad you got it. More than worth the price. His programs are complete, both inner and outer game.

I bought the stuff, so I am not just pluggin it just to talk. Don't believe the many people here who DON'T HAVE THE PROGRAM, but will tell you you can get everything you need here, for free. Time is money. Start with the book. Feel free to email me or PM me with any questions if you want.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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