I am confused about the initial start of the conversation.

[LarryLiesureSuit]

I am a beginner (2 years in game, but still a beginner). I go out 3 times a week for about 2 hours.

I use a few kind of openers.

1. Context Item. Simply talk about what I observe.
2. Direct Compliment.
4. High energy opener. Irrelevant openers and routines.

I deliver an intent to why I am talking to her.

Then I go to cold reading and assumptions, and I mix it with comedy to create vibe.
I try to frame the girl at the same time.

Then I would reiterate the things she and I mentioned, and start asking her questions to make her invest in the interaction. The questions are more why and how, to establish more rapport and meaning.

Then I give her another compliment on her behavior to reinforce cognitive consistency. For example, we had a good conversation and you are a good listener.

My body, truthfully saying, isnt perfect all the time. It depends on my energy levels at the time.

Something goes wrong. I dont know why and where I am inefficient. Can you please help me, Don Jon fellows?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Two points, as is TMK's way;

-You don't believe in your product, or at least the quality of your product, which is why you are relying on gimmicks like cold approaching and cold reading.

-You don't understand the needs of your customers, which should be your primary consideration, rather than what you think you need to be doing. Thus you're relying on compliments and 'comedy' like some kind of gawky teenager.


You sound like a cold call salesman trying to flog cut price windows. You said yourself your body needs some work, but you're still pretending to be some sort of Prince Charming...? You're selling a rust-bucket utility vehicle at Mercedes showroom prices. Time to get real man.

Sounds like a broken record playing, but once you're just going out enjoying life and have lots of personal qualities worth offering, you don't need to be doing this corny approaching sh!t. Women start approaching you. Seriously.

You're right, if you've been doing it for two years and it's still not working, might be time to try a different tactic. I would quit the cold approaching sh!t, maybe go out once a week to actually socialise, and spend the time you save actually becoming more desirable.

 

[LarryLiesureSuit]

Two points, as is TMK's way;

-You don't believe in your product, or at least the quality of your product, which is why you are relying on gimmicks like cold approaching and cold reading.

-You don't understand the needs of your customers, which should be your primary consideration, rather than what you think you need to be doing. Thus you're relying on compliments and 'comedy' like some kind of gawky teenager.


You sound like a cold call salesman trying to flog cut price windows. You said yourself your body needs some work, but you're still pretending to be some sort of Prince Charming...? You're selling a rust-bucket utility vehicle at Mercedes showroom prices. Time to get real man.

Sounds like a broken record playing, but once you're just going out enjoying life and have lots of personal qualities worth offering, you don't need to be doing this corny approaching sh!t. Women start approaching you. Seriously.

You're right, if you've been doing it for two years and it's still not working, might be time to try a different tactic. I would quit the cold approaching sh!t, maybe go out once a week to actually socialise, and spend the time you save actually becoming more desirable.

You are right. But your criticisms are theoretical. What are the practical applications of achieving a successful interaction.
Does it mean to go direct all the time.

I do believe in an interaction which is funny, at least at the beginning... but it is a hit and miss for me now ;(

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Two more points:

Frame Control
-By the very fact of 'going out to approach women' you are automatically playing in to their frame, the moment that you set foot outside the door. As results you will be giving off a level of thirst, no matter how long you practice and polished you think you've become.

Living in your own frame, all the time
-Humour, for example, is important. Not just at the beginning, but always. I'd say my closest, longest-serving friends are those who entertain me and I am able to entertain back. Being a genuinely entertaining guy is like holding someone's attention for a whole hour, or four hours, or a whole weekend; not just two minutes on the side of a street. This is what I mean about going out to socialise.
-The point being, you can't just 'use' humour to attract a woman in one short term interaction. Learning to live within your own frame permanently, and dealing and socialising with people who enter your frame themselves will grant you far more success.

There's nothing wrong with cold approaching per se, but it doesn't teach men half the things that they think it does. It's approaching and having brief superficial conversations with strange women. That is not at all the same as being a genuinely sociable person. If being funny and entertaining are not actually personal traits that you've honed in lots of different social contexts, you'll get found out in the end.

 

[RangerMIke]

Don't over complicate this. There is a reason why you are approaching a chick. There is something about her you find attractive. focus on that and if it's something that isn't R rated, then just tell her you noticed xyz and you had to meet her... ask her name, and let her talk about whatever it is that you complemented her on. You will know right away if she is open to being approached, if not break contact. If she is smiling and friendly then just be a fun and friendly guy. Then tell her you have to run but would like her number so keep in touch. If she gives you her number you still have a bunch to go through...

First she has to answer your call or call you back.

Second she has to agree to see you on a date.

Third she has to show up and not flake.

When you have all three of these things line up, THEN and only THEN. DO you give this random chick you approached on the street or where ever ANY thought at all.

 

[LarryLiesureSuit]

Two more points:

Frame Control
-By the very fact of 'going out to approach women' you are automatically playing in to their frame, the moment that you set foot outside the door. As results you will be giving off a level of thirst, no matter how long you practice and polished you think you've become.

Living in your own frame, all the time
-Humour, for example, is important. Not just at the beginning, but always. I'd say my closest, longest-serving friends are those who entertain me and I am able to entertain back. Being a genuinely entertaining guy is like holding someone's attention for a whole hour, or four hours, or a whole weekend; not just two minutes on the side of a street. This is what I mean about going out to socialise.
-The point being, you can't just 'use' humour to attract a woman in one short term interaction. Learning to live within your own frame permanently, and dealing and socialising with people who enter your frame themselves will grant you far more success.

There's nothing wrong with cold approaching per se, but it doesn't teach men half the things that they think it does. It's approaching and having brief superficial conversations with strange women. That is not at all the same as being a genuinely sociable person. If being funny and entertaining are not actually personal traits that you've honed in lots of different social contexts, you'll get found out in the end.

Funny is my trait. I hang mostly in reddit and funkyjunk in the funny sections. Frame is important, I was looking also for things that would boost my value at the beginning of the interaction.