"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If a guy has a track record of humiliating himself at social events, does it reach a point where he should throw in the towel (and stop putting himself in positions to get humiliated)?

I went to one school dance in high school. Humiliated myself (and all I got was one pity dance from a hot girl in my grade who didn't say a word to me)

I went to some football games in college. Humiliated myself.

One year, I got roped into attending a holiday party in the building where I currently live. Humiliated myself.

As you can see, I've humiliated myself at a wide variety of social events (so it isn't as simple as "just avoid _____ category of social events")

I haven't gotten better with age either. At the holiday party I mentioned, I was 30 (a far cry, age-wise, from my high school and college humiliation stories)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Maybe you’re doing too much by going to large social events.

Even for NTs, introverts tend to do best one on one or possibly with two friends. Not so much with big parties/events.
You know what, that could be the case. Come to think of it, the common denominator is that they're large events.
 

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If a guy has a track record of humiliating himself at social events, does it reach a point where he should throw in the towel (and stop putting himself in positions to get humiliated)?

I went to one school dance in high school. Humiliated myself (and all I got was one pity dance from a hot girl in my grade who didn't say a word to me)

I went to some football games in college. Humiliated myself.

One year, I got roped into attending a holiday party in the building where I currently live. Humiliated myself.

As you can see, I've humiliated myself at a wide variety of social events (so it isn't as simple as "just avoid _____ category of social events")

I haven't gotten better with age either. At the holiday party I mentioned, I was 30 (a far cry, age-wise, from my high school and college humiliation stories)
Where exactly is the humiliation? :rolleyes:
 

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You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Even for NTs, introverts tend to do best one on one or possibly with two friends. Not so much with big parties/events.
Introverts are generally better suited for non-bar approaching and tech-based dating based on their personality. However, tech-based dating is difficult for well documented reasons.

Bars and bigger/parties events are generally less good fits for introverts. I spent the 2000s doing exclusively this style of game and had some level of success with it as a more introverted. Introverts can succeed in nightlife venues but it is generally going to be more challenging for them.

Social circle game can really go either way for introverts. It would depend on a lot of factors. I can imagine a set of circumstances where an introvert would be able to find a quality girlfriend from a social circle.
 

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In the past, I would use pheromone. If you spray the right pheromone then it should attract women your way. You need to see women as your subjects who you are doing experiments on to see how they react to various pheromones. When women are part of your experiment, they are in your frame, they are under you because you are the man with the scientific white lab coat and you are trying out various sprays on them to see how they react to that.

However, I stopped using them since 2014 for personal reasons.
 

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Crazy

is something that a crazy person never thinks of. For a crazy person himself is normal.

It's hard to nearly impossible to judge what you have. A personality disorder or something similar or what. So you will have to run with the idea for a while that you could be none normal -- for several months. Try to diagnose what you have.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I went to one school dance in high school. Humiliated myself (and all I got was one pity dance from a hot girl in my grade who didn't say a word to me)
Rejoice in the fact that you received even that, GM. I'm slightly confused though:

-This broad had never spoken to you prior to this evening, then walked up to you, and said "Let's boogie!!!"

Or

-She pulled you onto the dance floor without saying a word, remained silent as you all glided around thr ball room, then walked away afterwards, still speechless?

If the latter, it's entirely possible her hyper-religious parents discovered she'd been talking to guys earlier that year, and then removed her vocal cords as punishment. In which case, her dancing with you was likely just as much an act of self-pity, as it was sympathy
 

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You are falling for the spotflight effect thinking that everyone is focused on you and some perceived embarassing event

seek first to have fun and amuse yourself and as my guru Amsterdam assassin says limit what you give an airborne copulation about it
 

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Where exactly is the humiliation? :rolleyes:
Only getting one pity dance at the high school dance was humiliating. I never should have gone.

I don't even want to elaborate on the humiliation at the college football games and the holiday party (the story is worse)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Why is that humiliation? I went to dance school and at the beginning I was scared to ask a girl to dance, even in social dancing events, at least you had the balls to do it.

In the beginning you felt like that, but when you practice something enough time you become good at it. If dance is what you wanted, you shouldn't have quit, you should've practice more to get good at it.
I was a senior. It's understandable if a freshman guy is too shy/scared to ask girls to dance. But when you're a senior, it comes across as pathetic.

I didn't ask the hot girl to dance by the way. She came up to me, took my arms, and started dancing without saying a word to me.

I was a wallflower for most of the dance. At one point, I walked out into the hallway simply because I was ticked off at how miserable I was.

Then here's another humiliation from the dance: A picture I ended up in was posted on social media. The student posting the picture cropped me out. Only me. Everyone else got to stay in the picture.
 

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I'm curious too. Like did he wet himself?
I elaborated on the school dance thing.

As for the football games and holiday party, I don't want to elaborate a whole lot (luckily I didn't wet myself). Let's just say when you have social phobia and are unfamiliar with social norms, big events are a disaster.

Here's one example from a college football game: The classmates I was with ditched me when I had my back turned.
 

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'humiliated yourself'?......

I bet they hardly remember. And if you did 'humiliate yourself'....it was only a fleeting moment.

You have to remember that people mostly care about themselves...and are less likely to be preoccupied with someone else.
Whether they'll remember or not, I don't want to put myself in scenarios where I have a track record of humiliating myself.
 

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Rejoice in the fact that you received even that, GM. I'm slightly confused though:

-This broad had never spoken to you prior to this evening, then walked up to you, and said "Let's boogie!!!"

Or

-She pulled you onto the dance floor without saying a word, remained silent as you all glided around thr ball room, then walked away afterwards, still speechless?

If the latter, it's entirely possible her hyper-religious parents discovered she'd been talking to guys earlier that year, and then removed her vocal cords as punishment. In which case, her dancing with you was likely just as much an act of self-pity, as it was sympathy
We had spoken through the years (I had gone to school with her all the way back to elementary school). Not a whole lot though. We weren't friends by any means (other than meaningless Facebook friendship where pretty much the whole school added each other)

The scenario was closer to the 2nd scenario you described (although I have no idea whether her family was religious)

I just looked her up. Found a LinkedIn. She still has her good looks (and is a Certified Medical Assistant)
 

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You are falling for the spotflight effect thinking that everyone is focused on you and some perceived embarassing event

seek first to have fun and amuse yourself and as my guru Amsterdam assassin says limit what you give an airborne copulation about it
I'm aware not everyone's focused on me. Still, I don't like humiliating myself.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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