"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How would I go about this approach?

Telurn

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There is this girl that works at this place I frequent. The other day when I went she was constantly sparking up a conversation with me (as I was waiting, she would keep coming back to the counter, lean on the counter and talk to me). I wanted to number close her there but wasn't sure if I was confusing interest with her friendlyness and outgoing personality.

I'm a confident guy and i'm not socially awkward, I was able to hold a conversation with her, but I want to take it a little further...get to know her more. I don't want to use some off the wall techniques because I feel like if I do and it fails, I'll be known as "that guy" everytime I come to this place (and there is no other option, i HAVE to come back).

What should I say, do, not do...any advice?

---I will paypal $5 to the person who provides me with the best advice---
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Nope...no money or tipping was involved...

she works at the front desk where i get my hair cuts at...i mean obviously if things did crash and burn i COULD go to a different location, but I really dont want to because I am happy with the service they provide.
 

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"Holding a conversation" with someone who's really outgoing (which she probably is) is easy to do.

But you need to ask yourself, "Have I done anything to differentiate myself from the other guys that come into this place?" If not, it might just be that she's really outgoing and nice to everyone. So measure accordingly.

My advice to you (and it certainly ain't worth $5) is to make an effort to pull her out of the studio. You need to be in a different location before you can start building her comfort level. So I'd say don't ask her out on a "date."

Instead, do this: the instant you get her laughing, INTERRUPT her laughter and say, "HEY, I'm interested in getting a coffee on your break."

Notice how I wrote that. I didn't say (1) "in getting YOU a coffee," nor did I say (2) "in getting a coffee WITH YOU", nor did I (3) ask a question.

Why're these things important? (1) this sounds like you're supplicating, like you're trying to buy her time. A high-value guy doesn't need to buy anyone's time, they'll willingly give it. Give off that vibe. (2) is implied. But if she's witty there's a chance she might ask, "you mean with me?" And then you can smile (smile slowly--I think it's a lot more attractive to smile like you're trying not to) and say "Alright. You can come." (3) You're not asking her permission, you're getting yourself a coffee, goddammit. Also, asking questions changes the tone of your voice, and in my opinion it makes you sound less decisive.

...having trouble thinking of how to get her to laugh? Check this sh!t out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7792102.stm
 

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Telurn said:
What should I say, do, not do...any advice?

"I hate to see you stuck in here all day. Wondering if you have some time after work to join me for some coffee? I know this great place right around the corner."
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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