DonS said:
I used to be a nice guy and I don't really have any secrets on how I escaped.
Yeah,I used to be a nice guy too. In fact,I still remember the first time a girl said that to me.
We had "dated" for like 2 or 3 weeks,and I wanted to make everything "official". And of course,she kind of backed away once I mentioned this. When I asked her why,she said "you're too nice". When she told me that,I was flat out confused. "Too nice?" I said. Then I said,"Too nice...that's bad?". "Yeah" she said.
Anyway,it took me a while,but I finally was able to get a grip on the whole "being nice" thing.
One thing that REALLY HELPED me was when I learned that "being nice" had
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ATTRACTION.
Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.
It's too much to get into,but for me,I had confused "attraction" with being a "good" person. They're not the same.
The reason I was confused was because I considered myself to be basically a good person. I tried to be nice,treat people right,be helpful whenever I could be,etc,etc. I would be this way with women,but I was constantly rejected and put into the friendzone. Then,I see guys who were rude,who'd yell,holler,mistreat women,have them crying,and do all kinds of cruel/demeaning things to them,and women were just totally "in love" with these guys. And I,being the "good" person was repeatedly rejected over and over.
So after seeing that over and over again year after year,something FINALLY dawned on me:If woman after woman fall for the "bad boy",then this can't be a coincedence. If not only me,but other guys complain about the same situations happening with them and other women,then I knew that somewhere,I had to be missing something.
So I broke this thing down logically...
If I'm nice and do good things for women,but they want nothing to do with me,but other guys,who not only DON'T DO anything good or helpful for women,but intentionally,
ON PURPOSE,do things to HURT them seem to get any woman they want
DESPITE their hurtful behavior,then attraction can't have anything to do with "being nice".
It can't.
So if being nice doesn't create attraction,and...
being rude or mean doesn't destroy it,then attraction has NOTHING TO DO with whether you're a good or bad person.
When I learned this,it was
easy to stop being a "nice guy" because being nice doesn't have anything to do with attraction.
It was like finding out you have extra weight on you because of something you
don't need.
So when I got rid of it,it just made me feel freer.
If you being "nice" is because you're trying to win over women,you can drop it man.
It's flat out is useless when it comes to women.