"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How to play long game?

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You have a chick who you cannot bang due to logistical reasons, so you decide to go the long game route. What is the best way to go about this?

Do you ping every now and then to keep you fresh in their minds, or do you let them come to you.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Value giving text once every week or two--just something funny or related to her or something cool that happened to you or a small piece of drama (I.e. "WTF Marie" & then don't respond). Let convo run 2-3 texts a piece (sometimes more, sometimes less); end it on a high note.

Eventually she'll start investing on not letting the convos die out (chasing).
 

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This is a great topic. Many a times, plates are out of reach initially or for long stretches. For me, the trouble is getting sucked into long text convos. I like the advice above. My addition would be to mix it up with response times and/or days/times you text. If she's expecting you to text every Sunday night, text her Monday morning instead. If it's just a plate, you SHOULD be banging (or at least trying to bang) other chicks anyways.
 

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I see them, when I see them. No effort required.
 

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I personally wouldn't bother with it. If I can't see them it's pointless to me. Might have sent a text when whatever prevents contact is over, but no texting to try keeping interest up. There's enough options around anyways.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If I was trying to maintain long range interest I would just try to keep it funny and light, maybe play text games and joke around alot. Eventually meetup for fun and frolic, I would not take it serious at all.
 

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@deesade Oh, thanks for the context, makes sense. I'm not qualified to respond to this then, as I live in Norway and beautiful is all around me, locally. British women aren't pretty so I can understand why this is necessary.

My argument still stands regarding a beta long distance relationship though.
 

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I suggest OP not listen to guys that haven't done it, and don't know what they are talking about.

Blind leading the blind at times.
It's not worth doing.

Guys with HIGH VALUE don't need to waste their time on such a desperate quest lol. If you've never done it, it means you've never been desperate.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Ah c'mon Norwegian girls are internationally known as being hot. But they ve always seemed kind of cold to me. Never had much luck with them personally.
 

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Ah c'mon Norwegian girls are internationally known as being hot. But they ve always seemed kind of cold to me. Never had much luck with them personally.
Same, here.
 

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If Norwegian girls are the salt of the earth, then why were you fvcking foreign prostitutes?
Curiosity and it was only one prostitute, my curiosity about that is satisfied. Norwegians are better.
Ah c'mon Norwegian girls are internationally known as being hot. But they ve always seemed kind of cold to me. Never had much luck with them personally.
You gotta warm them up, but after that they're awesome. They are hot, they get a lot of attention they don't want and they're not idiots. That's a recipe for being hard to get, but if you think their cool is an obstacle then so it is. I never had much luck with anyone not Norwegian, except one Danish chick but that's kinda the same.
 

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Which makes sense. They have their own vibe and it probably takes a while to get on that wavelength.

I've had plenty of Eastern central and southern European women but Northern is fresh Territory for me.

Note I didn't bag them for being that way. I said I'd never had much luck - it's on me. I'm sure if I was in Norway I d adapt pretty quickly.

They are pretty rare in Australia so it's hard to get the Ks on the clock.

Always happy to learn. Any tips on warming them up?
 

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This is actually quite appropriate for me. I was in the U.K. And Europe Last year and met two women. One originally from Denmark who lives in London. We spent a night together and she's coming to see me this summer. I've noticed the texting is increasing leading up to her visit.

The second I met in Berlin...she's based in London has a boyfriend but was giving strong interest. We had dinner in London the night before I left. She's expressed an interest in flying out to see me as well. I'm trying to rope her in slowly. Based on her career she's also thinking of migrating to my side of the world...so there's definitely some possibility there.

But yeah...I'm also not solely focusing on these women. I have local plates I'm spinning too.

Saying all that to say...long game does have its place I think
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Saying all that to say...long game does have its place I think
Yeah. Like it's literally just another tool to have in your toolset. Sometimes you just need a hammer; but sometimes you need to sand the wood, first. Nothing inherently desperate about it--it all comes down to your mindset.
 
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