"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How to nail it on date 3, if date 2 had only a minor flaw?

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Would have possibly kiss closed on the second date, if my roommate hadn't been in his room. Had the girl on the couch in the common area, we were cuddling but she was shy about going further in case the roommate were to overhear.

Given that she wanted it on some level, what are the chances to land it on date #3, and how soon would I need to escalate/how many different locations should I take her to before back to my place again where the roommate is not present at all?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Would have possibly kiss closed on the second date, if my roommate hadn't been in his room. Had the girl on the couch in the common area, we were cuddling but she was shy about going further in case the roommate were to overhear.

Given that she wanted it on some level, what are the chances to land it on date #3, and how soon would I need to escalate/how many different locations should I take her to before back to my place again where the roommate is not present at all?
A minor flaw?

Please. You have had 2 dates and you haven't even kissed her yet? That's a major flaw on date one, a critical flaw on date 2.

Kiss, escalate, fvck. You have to get to step 1 before you get to step 2 and 3. Stop beating around the bush and make a move already.
 
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A minor flaw?

Please. You have had 2 dates and you haven't even kissed her yet? That's a major flaw on date one, a critical flaw on date 2.

Kiss, escalate, fvck. You have to get to step 1 before you get to step 2 and 3. Stop beating around the bush and make a move already.
She's a very shy girl in particular and needs absolute privacy with me to do anything. I have made moves, but she had resisted only because we didn't have that privacy.

Are you saying that on this next date, I should not take her anywhere other than my room, where I kiss her within 10 minutes of the date?
 

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How old are you? This sounds like it belongs in the high school forum.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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If the question would get more responses in the high school forum, and if that's your only answer to the question, go ahead and put it there.
Don't get sh*tty. Cut out the passive aggressive crap. He's asking as not knowing your age means suggesting date ideas is hard.

As for your question.

Yes, some girls won't get hit and heavy when observed or in a social situation. However a kiss shouldn't be off the cards. You should have closed this by now.

For date 3 will be tough to close for the bang. You need to think date 4 here.

Why not take her somewhere private first? Can be a day date or an outdoor cinema (the one where you're in your cars).

Personally I like the magic three- doing something active (bowling etc) then to a bar, then night cap at mine.

Pro tip: something fun and active is key. My go to date is crazy golf indoor (in the uk they let you take around your drinks!). It's cheap and super fun for a first, second or third date.
 
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Don't get sh*tty. Cut out the passive aggressive crap. He's asking as not knowing your age means suggesting date ideas is hard.

As for your question.

Yes, some girls won't get hit and heavy when observed or in a social situation. However a kiss shouldn't be off the cards. You should have closed this by now.

For date 3 will be tough to close for the bang. You need to think date 4 here.

Why not take her somewhere private first? Can be a day date or an outdoor cinema (the one where you're in your cars).

Personally I like the magic three- doing something active (bowling etc) then to a bar, then night cap at mine.

Pro tip: something fun and active is key. My go to date is crazy golf indoor (in the uk they let you take around your drinks!). It's cheap and super fun for a first, second or third date.
Ok thanks.
 
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Yes, some girls won't get hit and heavy when observed or in a social situation. However a kiss shouldn't be off the cards.
But it was. Are you saying it's more likely she resisted the kiss due to low attraction, rather than shyness?
 

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How old are you? This sounds like it belongs in the high school forum.
This is a genuine question. Your age (and more specifically her age) will tell us exactly how important it is on what date you kiss her. If you're an adult, no kiss by the end of the 2nd date usually means you're in the friend zone. If you're still in high school, it may take longer for girls to warm up to the idea of taking things further, but their IL won't drop as quickly since the things they're feeling are still new, fresh, and highly enjoyable.
 

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But it was. Are you saying it's more likely she resisted the kiss due to low attraction, rather than shyness?
That's my guess. If she was hot for you she would fvck you in church. Well, unless she is 15 and a Virgin, as others have implied.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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How old are you? This sounds like it belongs in the high school forum.
This is a genuine question. Your age (and more specifically her age) will tell us exactly how important it is on what date you kiss her. If you're an adult, no kiss by the end of the 2nd date usually means you're in the friend zone. If you're still in high school, it may take longer for girls to warm up to the idea of taking things further, but their IL won't drop as quickly since the things they're feeling are still new, fresh, and highly enjoyable.
I'm 26, but she's 21 and somewhat childish.
 

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Why don't you gauge her IL first? (Interest level)

Go soft no contact and see if she pursues you at all. That will tell you whether she's interested or not.
 

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That's why you have to plan out the logistics of the date before hand. Ask your roommate if he can leave the room between certain hours on that day as you want to invite a girl over. If you guys are cool, he will understand. Otherwise, you can always bang her in your car (if you have one), go to an empty classroom in a secluded place at a secluded time etc.
 
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Date 3 had making out and clear interest level, she initiated kiss goodbye, but now she only has a week left before going back to Japan and says she's too busy every day.

How to successfully get her out, amidst her saying goodbye to friends and luggage packing?
 
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