"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How to make her your girlfriend??

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Title basically says all...

Tell me how, wen, wher, n step by step.

So far weve gone on one date n we hooked-up.

Pce, Spade
 
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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maybe if you gave more details.....
 

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Like I said in the other thread, I still believe your rushing into things way too fast to be asking a girl to be your gf when you've only gone on one date so far.

But if you really wanna go for it (which i dont reccommend cuz i still think theres a shot she may deny you simply cuz she doesnt know you well enough, but hey if you really feel the attraction is there then go for it) heres what I would do:

Hang out with her one night, make sure the two of you are alone. When you feel the time is right (say at like the climax of wen u guys are hanging out, like a time wen you two just really connect), just tell her (maybe you could hold her hand too while you say it) "Hey bla blah I really enjoy being with you and I wanted to know if you would be my girlfriend"

^idk maybe someone can give a lil better advice, i mean how does that sound? Im not a huge expert when it comes to actually asking a girl out.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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it depends on the individual..im not a fan of asking..

her'es what i do..kino escalation as the dj bible suggests.

and i usually don't even consider being official with a girl until at LEAST 3 outings alone

Process: (dont feel constrained to what i say..filter it through your personality..AND NEVER FORCE YOURSELF TO FORMULA..these are just general guidelines)

After 1st outing...kino throughout outing..but a hug at end..she's probably jsut thinking "hm no kiss..well he hugged me..must be somewhat interested"

After 2nd outing..hold hands throughout outing where suitable..and kiss on the cheek at end..for kicks, i usually fake as thoguh im gonna kiss her on the lips then go for cheek..

NOW..THE HOTTER SHE IS, THE BETTER THIS WORKS...most AVERAGE men..can't resist a good looking chick..they rush in for ht ekiss after the first or second date..kisisng on the cheek shows patience...

AND AS POOK SAID, "Patience is the refined sense of CONFIDENCE."

AFter the 3rd outing..you should go for the kiss on the lips if a moment seems right..but dnt force anything

NOW, if she does not move away or stop you from the ksis on the lips..chances are you coudl make her your gf..but the dj bible, which i agree with on this matter, suggests you should wait until she asks what your guys' status is..

and most girls after being kissed on the lips will eventually question the status of the relationship..and then you know how to close the deal when she fnally does..AND don't *****foot around it...don't use words like "i suppose, i guess, maybe, what do you think?"..when she asks, DEMONSTRATIVELY DECIDE LIKE A MAN

OR

She may say i love you immediately following the kiss...and unless she's a ***** haha..she's implying you guys are official..but some girls might say that you guys techinically never made it official and go mess around with other guys so be careful

Kino escalation/3 outings/she asks

that's basically it..but dont feel constrained..and dont force anything
those are just basic outlines
 

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lmao, bro wat if i hooked up with her on the first date?
 

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Spade said:
lmao, bro wat if i hooked up with her on the first date?
ok first of all..I HATE THAT PHRASE...
heh..here's the definition from urbandict..

"An incredibly ambiguous phrase that drives me absolutely insane when people use it.
John hooked up with Mary. (so what did they actually do? Did they meet at the park? Did they talk? or did they duke like viagra-injected rabbits? who knows...)"
1500 ups 250 downs haha

so assuming you mean you guys got physical...and she has not said anything about your status..you can assume that either

1. She only thinks of you as a fwb.
2. She assumes you guys are bf/gf.

So basically, you're going to have to ask her or escalate until she says something.

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On a side note, for my personal knowledge

how do you hook up after only one "Date," unless you're only planning to be fwb's?..i mean,, when i think a girl has potential to be a gf..i never even kiss on the first outing even if she asks/begs for it because my first outing is usually an action outing AND it's to see if she's willing to follow my lead AND is truly interested in me..

you don't feel like you're rushing things? are you after sex?

i'm slightly curious:confused:

btw, how old are you?..age would tell me a lot
 

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lmao man... read the title, im not lookin for sex yo

Im 17, and she told me on fb she wanted help with math... so we decided on a date.

We met at a starbucks and i helped her with math a lil but we mostly talked.... then i told her "lets go for a walk"(isolation)... we started walkin in the park and we sat down somwhere.

There was a lil bit of chitchat and i told her "im tryin real hard not to kiss u right now" she said somthin i dnt rly remeber n we kissed.

Its all about feelin the vibe n pulling the triger, it was easy for me cuz ive got experience with foreplay n seduction.

But relationships on the other hand, im new too.
 

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How to make her your girlfriend??


It should just happen, because both of you lose interest in seeing anyone else. Give it time and multiple hookups. Do *not* put any girl through an awkward conversation where you ask her to be your girlfriend. Make her bring it up first.

Men should not seek out relationships and commitment; that is what women do. Relationships to men should be a consequence of a lot of sex, or at least a lot of fun together. The commitment is an unintended, but tolerable side effect.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Aite bro i never thought of it that way... i guess ill work ma magic untill she brings it up.

Any ideas, how i can get really close with her?
 

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Aite bro i never thought of it that way... i guess ill work ma magic untill she brings it up.

Any ideas, how i can get really close with her?
 

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Spade said:
Aite bro i never thought of it that way... i guess ill work ma magic untill she brings it up.

Any ideas, how i can get really close with her?
Just spend some time with her.

- comic_relief
 

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btw.. how often shud i call her and see her? i dnt wanna come off as desperate but i dnt wanna lose her at the same time.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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eaglez1177 said:
Like I said in the other thread, I still believe your rushing into things way too fast to be asking a girl to be your gf when you've only gone on one date so far.

But if you really wanna go for it (which i dont reccommend cuz i still think theres a shot she may deny you simply cuz she doesnt know you well enough, but hey if you really feel the attraction is there then go for it) heres what I would do:

Hang out with her one night, make sure the two of you are alone. When you feel the time is right (say at like the climax of wen u guys are hanging out, like a time wen you two just really connect), just tell her (maybe you could hold her hand too while you say it) "Hey bla blah I really enjoy being with you and I wanted to know if you would be my girlfriend"

^idk maybe someone can give a lil better advice, i mean how does that sound? Im not a huge expert when it comes to actually asking a girl out.
lol. I will tell you from experience that was kinda epic fail. lol. Even tho the girl gave me my 1st kiss, we did not date.lol
 

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^Thats why I said I wasnt a huge expert :rolleyes:
 
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